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<div style="direction: ltr;">As I read the proposal cutting off bogus LIRs seems to be the goal rather than cutting off a legitimate but careless player. There seem to be quite a few such given the coming wg meeting has a preso on just this topic.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">--srs</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="dir="ltr""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Carlos Fria�as via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 17, 2019 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Hilliard<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shane Kerr; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Legality of proposal (apologies)
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On Fri, 17 May 2019, Nick Hilliard wrote: <br>
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> Shane Kerr wrote on 17/05/2019 08:45: <br>
>> All I can say is that the law is stupid then, and it SHOULD allow the <br>
>> proposed policy. ? <br>
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> fundamentally, it shouldn't. Proportionality is a cornerstone of most legal <br>
> systems - if you don't have proportionality, you end up with tyranny. The <br>
> idea of threatening to cut off a LIR because they haven't updated an abuse <br>
> contact is completely disproportionate to the scale of the policy infraction. <br>
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Hi, <br>
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It's probably not "haven't updated" but instead "haven't created". <br>
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Ideally this would also cover cases where company X deliberately inserts <br>
an e-mail address from someone which has nothing to do with the numbering <br>
resource... at least the legitimate owner of such mailbox should be able <br>
to resort to someone (hopefully not a court!) to have that corrected in <br>
the registry....... <br>
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We had that with our postal address from an ARIN member some years ago. :/ <br>
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Carlos <br>
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> Nick <br>
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