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<div style="direction: ltr;">For example - ARIN just reclaimed a large number of IPs from an actor that created a large number of shell companies. http://m.slashdot.org/story/355802</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="dir="ltr""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 17, 2019 3:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gert Doering<br>
<b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 New Policy Proposal (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")
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Gert Doering wrote on 16/05/2019 21:47: <br>
> No positive effect, but lots of negative side-effects. <br>
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Abuse mailboxes are already checked. What matters for abuse management <br>
is whether reports are acted on. This policy doesn't address that. <br>
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If the RIPE NCC is instructed to send 6-monthly reminders to all abuse <br>
contacts with the implicit threat that if they aren't acted on in the <br>
way specified in this policy, that the organisation in question can look <br>
forward to having their addressing resources vapourised, this will <br>
aggravate the RIPE NCC membership and corrode community trust in the <br>
organisation. The one thing it won't do is make abuse management better. <br>
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Internet abuse management is not something that you're going to fix by <br>
beating LIRs with sticks, and if they don't react, that you threaten to <br>
beat them harder. <br>
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Separate to this, it's inappropriate to micromanage the NCC in RIPE <br>
policy. It would be good if the RIPE working groups stopped trying to <br>
tell the RIPE NCC people how to do their jobs. <br>
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Nick <br>
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