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<div style="direction: ltr;">For those saying "Dutch court" etc please do be careful what you're asking for.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Experience in two decades of anti abuse work says that if a particular form of abuse is allowed and even waved away so there's an enforcement gap, and that form of abuse is used to successfully attack something important and news
making (lets say the European parliament or the defence forces of an EU country). Plausible - people can hijack address space belonging to most anybody. </div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">It would be an interesting sight to see the chairman and exec board of ripe summoned before a parliament or court to explain the situation.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="dir="ltr""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2019 7:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gert Doering<br>
<b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2019, Gert Doering wrote: <br>
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> Hi, <br>
> <br>
(...) <br>
> But anyway: the point that Randy is making that this policy is neither <br>
> common sense, nor effective in reducing abuse. So it's not the way to go. <br>
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Hi, <br>
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72 countries/economies in the service region (and in reality, the world), <br>
so i suspect "common sense" might turn out to be a tricky concept... :-) <br>
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But in fact, i think most Internet users would say it's common sense to <br>
have a rule saying that company A using resources held by company B <br>
(intentionally and persistently) is not tolerable. <br>
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About effectiveness in reducing abuse: We don't have any data, we would <br>
need to have the rule in place first... :-) <br>
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Would you find reasonable to have the rule/policy in place say for 2 or 3 <br>
years, and then evaluate its impact/efectiveness...? <br>
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Regards, <br>
Carlos <br>
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> Gert Doering <br>
> -- NetMaster <br>
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> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? <br>
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