<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"> <style></style> </head> <body> <div> <div id="x_compose-container" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/EmailMessage" style="direction:ltr"> <span itemprop="creator" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Organization"><span itemprop="name"></span></span> <div> <div> <div style="direction:ltr">This unfortunately is entirely wrong and short sighted</div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">All security practitioners protect our respective services and networks against a wide variety of threats including malware and phish campaigns.</div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Very few of those go on to be referred to law enforcement and that only after an extensive dossier is built internally to show that the perps in question justify a - frequently cross border - law enforcement action.</div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Security and protecting user privacy go hand in hand and I wish more people realised that, and maybe also realised the resource and administrative lconstraints and limits law enforcement is saddled with </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div class="x_acompli_signature"></div> </div> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 29, 2018 4:06:18 PM<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse</font> <div> </div> </div> </div> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with this one.<br> <br> Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more <br> difficult to detect and take action against due to the loss of one tool <br> amongst many, but ultimately that tool was illegal to begin with as it <br> violated the rights to privacy of millions of domain owners.<br> <br> "Private researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops will indeed <br> have a more difficult time to obtain such data as they will finally have <br> to do so by legal means, but then they are in an untenable position <br> anyway, taking upon themselves functions that should be fulfilled by <br> actual law enforcement.<br> <br> Ultimately, private data if internet users no longer being public will <br> lead to better registration data for those with a right to access it. <br> Those with no such rights will have to figure out alternate routes to do <br> their jobs that does not violate the rights of millions.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Volker<br> <br> <br> <br> Am 28.05.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette:<br> > ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:<br> ><br> >> Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and their funded trade<br> >> groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted from the rooftops that if the GDPR came<br> >> into effect, Internet in the EU would collapse and there would be digital doom<br> >> and gloom.<br> > I am not a multinational. I am an individual volunteer anti-abuse researcher.<br> > And yet even -I- have told everyone I know that the disappearance of public<br> > WHOIS is and will be an epic catastrophy. If there was cybercrime on the<br> > Internet before, it will be increased, going forward, by tenfold.<br> ><br> >> How wrong they were (hindsight is perfect - as we can all clearly see)<br> > Be patient. The change has only just occurred.<br> ><br> >> The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the reclamation of<br> >> individual rights and the free Internet.<br> > Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox News in order<br> > to be treated to this level of rubbish.<br> ><br> > The only thing that has happened is that private researchers the world<br> > over have been effectively blinded due to the supreme arogance and idiocy<br> > of europeans... europeans who, in their religious fervor, have come to view<br> > it as their holy obligation to foist their demented notions onto the rest<br> > of the world, whether any of the rest of us like it or not.<br> ><br> > Meanwhile the malevolent forces of state-sponsored intrigue and violation<br> > of human rights are and shall remain totally unfettered and unaffected by<br> > GDPR, as they will be the first ones to obtain special exemptions allowing<br> > them to continue to see WHOIS data. The CIA, NSA, BDN, and FSB are<br> > undoubtedly celebrating the arrival of GDPR, as it further entrenches<br> > their special status at the expense of the great unwashes masses.<br> ><br> > Friday was a sad day for both transparency and democracy, but all across<br> > the globe both criminals and statists undoubtedly celebrated it with<br> > toasts of champaign.<br> ><br> ><br> > Regards,<br> > rfg<br> ><br> <br> -- <br> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verf�gung.<br> <br> Mit freundlichen Gr��en,<br> <br> Volker A. 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