<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000; font-size:12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;"><i style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;">"And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date."</span></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;">Yes, an annual checking would do that. This isn't an annual checking. It involves checking if a mail server exists.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" mce_style="color: #000000;">Mail server exists </span>≠ update-to-date contact</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;">Mail server exists ≠ valid abuse mailbox</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" mce_style="font-size: 14pt;"><br></span></div><div style=""><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:herve.clement@orange.com">herve.clement@orange.com</a>><br>
Date: Tue, March 20, 2018 3:52 am<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br>
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</style> <div class="WordSection1"> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">As co-authors, if we propose this policy, that's because we believe that improving the Whois reliability is good for the Internet.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">With regard to the first analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC, about 10%-25% of the current 70,000 distinct abuse contact emails seem technically incorrect, this implies that between 7,000 and 17,500 email addresses are not working ones.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">If contacted by the RIPE NCC, resource holders will be requested to fix this information and will be able to receive abuse notifications. So there will be a significant difference between receiving something vs receiving anything. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Perhaps a part of these holders don't care but they will be contactable. The other part will be educated about this abuse-c field during the process. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Hervé<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" mce_style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:FR" mce_style="mso-fareast-language: FR;">-----Message d'origine-----<br> De : anti-abuse-wg [<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] De la part de ox<br> Envoyé : lundi 19 mars 2018 03:23<br> À : JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg<br> Objet : Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02</span></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:43:54 +0000<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none" mce_style="color: black; text-decoration: none;">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><snip> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">> I'm not a lawyer, but deal a lot with them, and I'm sure anyway, there <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">> are more informed voices even from the NCC that can confirm, and <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">> actually it will be interesting to confirm.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">+1<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">I would like to also present the other side of the same argument:<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">If the NCC provides a platform that supplies fake/false/wrong information it could also attract arguments of legal liability...<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">Similarly, if the NCC does not provide abuse contact information there could also be legal arguments that this is a dereliction of trust with regards public resource management and that also opens up arguments of liability...<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">So, this would be most interesting to confirm.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">Regards<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText">Andre<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></div> </div> <pre>_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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