<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000; font-size:12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;">How do you check the email address is valid if you don't email it?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style=""><font face="verdana, geneva" style=""><span style=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-02">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-02</a></span></font></div><div style=""><font face="verdana, geneva" style=""><span style=""><br></span></font></div><h3 style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>Validation method</i></h3><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>The RIPE NCC already has a procedure to fix “abuse-mailbox:” attributes that are reported as being incorrect. Building on this procedure, the RIPE NCC will develop a process to proactively validate “abuse-mailbox:” attributes on a yearly basis.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>To increase efficiency, this process will use an automated solution that will allow the validation of “abuse-mailbox:” attributes without sending an email. No action will be needed by resource holders that have configured their “abuse-mailbox:” attribute correctly.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>The RIPE NCC will validate the technical parameters of an “abuse-mailbox:” attribute, such as syntax, domain and mail server configuration, to determine if it is correctly configured to receive messages.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>This automated validation will be performed whenever an “abuse-mailbox:” attribute gets created or updated. During implementation, this validation will also be run in batches on all current “abuse-mailbox:” attributes. Attributes that pass this check will be considered as validated and will be checked again one year later.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>“Abuse-mailbox:” attributes that don’t pass this check will be followed up with. The RIPE NCC will ask the responsible LIR to review the “abuse-mailbox:” attribute referenced in resources directly registered to them. For independent Internet number resources, the RIPE NCC will ask the sponsoring LIR to follow up with the resource holder to have the “abuse-mailbox:” attribute reviewed.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>If required, the RIPE NCC can provide support in updating the “abuse-mailbox:” attribute. <br style="">Once the “abuse-mailbox:” attribute is confirmed to be working, it will be considered validated and checked again after one year.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i><br></i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><i>While the automated validation will identify most invalid “abuse-mailbox:” attributes, there may be false negatives or false positives. If a flagged “abuse-mailbox:” attribute is in fact working, this will be clarified when contacting the LIR. An “abuse-mailbox:” attribute that has passed the check but turns out to be not working can be always reported to the RIPE NCC with the <a href="https://www.ripe.net/contact-form/@@ripe-ncc-contact-form" style="">report form</a>.</i></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps<br>
From: Brian Nisbet <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 14, 2018 10:31 pm<br>
To: Name <<a href="mailto:phishing@storey.xxx">phishing@storey.xxx</a>>, "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>"<br>
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</style> <div class="WordSection1"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And apologies for the subject change, which I meant to edit. We’ve a new email system in work which needs training.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Brian Nisbet <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">+35316609040 <a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a href="http://www.heanet.ie">www.heanet.ie</a><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brian Nisbet <br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday 14 March 2018 11:31<br> <b>To:</b> 'Name' <<a href="mailto:phishing@storey.xxx">phishing@storey.xxx</a>>; <a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: SPAM-heanet-- RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I haven’t given an exhaustive list of all of the emails sent, but they are all in the archive. I believe I have covered some of the main points below. While I don’t feel a number of them are valid, as discussed, they were stated as initial reasons for objection.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Given my statements below I now wish people to either clarify their reasons for objection or say they no longer object or something in between.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We’ll then review this at the end of the current phase.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Brian Nisbet <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">+35316609040 <a target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.heanet.ie"> www.heanet.ie</a><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Name <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:phishing@storey.xxx">phishing@storey.xxx</a>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday 13 March 2018 01:28<br> <b>To:</b> Brian Nisbet <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>>; <a target="_blank" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> SPAM-heanet-- RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">"we do not believe rough consensus has been reached."</span></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Who spoke out against it, and what did they say? I haven't seen anything that says that consensus has not been reached.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">What does "consensus" look like?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="replyBlockquote"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps<br> From: Brian Nisbet <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>><br> Date: Mon, March 12, 2018 11:57 pm<br> To: "<a target="_blank" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>" <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <br> Colleagues,<br> <br> We've been thinking about this for some time and attempting to find a way through the various comments and messages in regards to 2017-02.<br> <br> We believe the best option at this point is to extend the review phase of this proposal for a further 4 weeks as we do not believe rough consensus has been reached. However we also do not believe that there has been sufficient clear argument to reject the proposal.<br> <br> We think that during this time it would be useful if those who engaged in the discussion but did not express a preference could do so.<br> <br> It would also be useful if those who commented on the first version of the proposal, especially those who objected, still objected after the second version was published.<br> <br> It should also be noted that the NCC have laid out the method by which they would plan to implement this proposal, so we do not believe that discussion around alternative methods nor additional checks is germane. It is also clear that the ARC will be used in conjunction with the automated checks. It is also clear that this will not require "make work" from any admins to answer.<br> <br> Finally we need to address the objections around the possible implications of organisations *not* following this policy. It is clear that 2017-02 does not attempt to introduce any additional processes nor change how the NCC would act in cases where policies are not followed. We believe this has been clarified. If members of the community have an issue with these procedures then we think that's a separate discussion, rather than a valid reason to object to 2017-02<br> <br> Other than those listed above, there was a feeling expressed that this will not make any meaningful difference. Both the RIPE NCC and the proposers have said that this work to improve the quality of data will be greatly appreciated. We would also mention that policies can be further amended in the future.<br> <br> So, if everyone could take a look at the latest version of 2017-02 again that would be appreciated. <br> <br> If you have already stated your support there is no need to do so. <br> <br> If you are opposed, then please consider the above and the various discussions and see if you are still opposed to this version of the proposal. If so, can you please state which reasons for opposition have not been clarified nor resolved.<br> <br> Obviously if you haven't stated a preference either way, as I mention above, this is your opportunity to do so!<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Brian<br> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG<br> <br> Brian Nisbet <br> Network Operations Manager<br> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<br> 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<br> +35316609040 <a target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.heanet.ie"> www.heanet.ie</a><br> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div>
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