<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>I’ve been there … people using emails in the abuse “distribution list” that do not longer exist and anti-spam tools that filter the abuse emails because of course, they contain the info about the spam itself.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>This bring me to further improvement in the policy proposal …<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>“the abuse-c mailbox, if forwarded to some re-distribution system, must contain valid and up-to-date mailboxes (or equivalent), so is reaching some actual human. In all the cases, the abuse-c and the re-distribution system (if exists), must not be filtered by anti-spam tools or whatever that avoids abuse reports being filtered and not reaching the end of the chain”<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>If we agree on the “human check” then the first part of that is not needed anymore, but it doesn’t harm.<o:p></o:p><div> Regards,<o:p></o:p></div>Jordi<o:p></o:p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>De: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Name <phishing@storey.xxx> Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018, 13:46 Para: <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: [anti-abuse-wg] [FWD: Re: [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)]<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><a name="_MailOriginalBody">"IMHO the policy should only check if emails to the abuse contact are delivered, which can bei done with some HELO, MAIL FROM and RCPT TO magic on port 25."</a><o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Except that firstly, you get idiots who forward abuse complaints to distribution lists, and then shut down email accounts attached to that distribution list without updating the distribution list. <o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>And secondly, you have anti-spam solutions (yes, there are admins who actually install anti-spam solutions on abuse inboxes!) that can potentially delete it after it's received (because it looks like a spam message..!! I wonder why a spam message would be sent to an abuse inbox?)<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation) From: Wolfgang Tremmel <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.tremmel@de-cix.net">wolfgang.tremmel@de-cix.net</a>> Date: Fri, January 19, 2018 9:21 pm To: "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>> Do you want to solve a problem or create one? I can imagine as the "click here and solve captcha" emails will be standardized that a carefully crafted attack might lure fist line helpdesk people onto shady websides and making them click stuff. So if I were a helpdesk manager I would order my team not to click on these.... IMHO the policy should only check if emails to the abuse contact are delivered, which can bei done with some HELO, MAIL FROM and RCPT TO magic on port 25. best regards Wolfgang > On 19. Jan 2018, at 10:58, ox <<a href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za">andre@ox.co.za</a>> wrote: > > you mean in practical "real life" work? > > practically, abuse admins and people that actually deal with abuse are > able to solve a capcha and tick a box. -- Wolfgang Tremmel Phone +49 69 1730902 26 | Fax +49 69 4056 2716 | Mobile +49 171 8600 816 | <a href="mailto:wolfgang.tremmel@de-cix.net">wolfgang.tremmel@de-cix.net</a> Geschaeftsfuehrer Harald A. 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