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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm very happy to see that in majority we have the same goal: "have a robust registry".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However, thinking that there is a possibility nothing will change by proposing an information validation process is not our option.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There were or supports or some remarks with regard to the effectiveness of the proposal during the discussion phase and we will take these into account to improve the idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Herv� <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:FR">-----Message d'origine-----<br>
De : anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Gert Doering<br>
Envoy� : vendredi 6 octobre 2017 08:35<br>
� : ox<br>
Cc : anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br>
Objet : Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:13:32AM +0200, ox wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> clearly you are supportive of this as non support of this makes no
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> sense other than to derail ethical and moral behavior towards public
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> owned allocated resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">That's an invalid conclusion. Someone might share the same goal ("have a robust registry with valid contact information") but still disagree with the particular means - any policy change needs to be weighted (at<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">least) against "does it achieve the set goal?" and "does the extra effort imposed relate positively to the effect".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Which is why I'm not speaking up in favour or against this proposal either. I share the goals ("robust registry") but I have my doubts that this is going to achieve much - those that have good documentation today will have a bit more
work, and those that do not care will continue to not care, finding ways to fulfill the policy, but still not caring.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We can force people to have abuse mailboxes that trigger a response if a mail from the RIPE NCC is received.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We (as in "the 10 people that speak up their mind here") can not force them to have working abuse handling, as in, infected customer systems gets fixed, IoT shit gets tracked down and disconnected, malicious customers get thrown out.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thus, ambivalence on the policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Gert Doering<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> -- long time handler of abuse@<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<o:p></o:p></p>
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