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<DIV>Responding at Co-Chair's request.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Tobias
Knecht, CEO of Abusix GmbH and Co-Chair of aa-wg-ripe, you are an expert on
abuse protection. Please tell me how can I transform my "abuse CP" into a real
protection against your protecting customer?</DIV>
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<DIV>Do not need to answer. I'm just establishing a connection between your
company that sells anti-abuse to Providers and a group that discusses abuse.
Establishing a connection between aa-wg-ripe and a company that has its
businesses dependent on Providers.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Tell me,
Mr. Tobias, considering that there are bad ISPs who abuse the population, that
there are bad ISPs who seek protection for illicit activities, that the bad ISPs
will be armored by your company against the victims, you do not consider your
position uncomfortable and inadequate in this group? This answer, if possible,
would like to receive.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Brian
wrote:</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">> You
have made several utterly unfounded accusations about me and other <BR>> list
members in the mail below.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">In your
opinion!</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">> I
don't know who the customers are that <BR>> you keep referring to,
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>This
clash began when Andre claimed to be Hetzner's client. The name Hetzner and
Martin Hetzner was constantly quoted in the exchange of messages. If you have
not read these messages why are you accusing me of ad hominem attacks? Dude, you
do not even know how to lie. You have a false speech but you are unable to hide
your real intentions.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> but it isn't productive to anyone to continue to
<BR>> have these conversations.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>If it
isn't productive to anyone to continue why you insist on sending repeated
messages? Do you want to have the final say? Are you a censor or
moderator?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> but also the list needs to be a useful resource and
<BR>> discussion place for the community. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Wrong.
Absolutely wrong. The community you are referring to are RIPE customers. They do
not need this group. They have support and protection from companies such as
aa-wg co-chair Abusix.com.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>RIPE,
as a company, has social responsibility with society. It is the duty of the
company to reduce the negative impacts of its activity in the community.
Negative impacts generated not only by those who use their customers for illicit
practices as by their bad customers. It is not about philanthropy but about an
improvement in dealing with the community and responsible growth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Just as
it is the duty of the company to promote the diffusion of human values such as
ethics - honesty and integrity. Do you understand this language?</FONT></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri>So this group could never refuse to discuss the criminal
actions of the bad Providers. This group should discuss ways to combat these
actions and not invent false reasons to protect their peers. This unethical
corporatism is predatory and dehumanized. The action of a bad Provider who
practices spam and scam or who protects spammers and scammers is no different
from the corrupt police officer who uses his authority to extort money from
people. The difference is that the Provider does it on a much larger
scale.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Rebury
Milton Friedman and adopt the "triple bottom line". In short, be
decent.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> So, if you will not respect other <BR>> members
of the community then we will take action and remove you</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> from the list.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri>SIR, YES SIR! You're wanting me to respect companies or
people who have not respected me. People who acted, for months, with excess of
mockery, excess of arrogance, excess of abuse and were accomplices of criminals.
This infamous procedure does not suit me. I do not have cockroach blood in my
veins and I do not share your morals.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">> Please
let me know your thoughts and whether you are willing to </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">> engage
in discussion without baseless accusations and ad hominem </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">>
attacks in the future.</DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3
face=Calibri>Please?? My thoughts?? If you could read my thoughts you would hire
private security.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: #000000; FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT size=3
face=Calibri>Baseless?!? You're a joke. You lie too much. I challenge you to ask
me to post, to the list, the baseless accusations.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=brian.nisbet@heanet.ie
href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">Brian Nisbet</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=marilson.mapa@gmail.com
href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">Marilson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=tk@abusix.com
href="mailto:tk@abusix.com">tk@abusix.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Recent List Discussion</DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>Marilson,<BR><BR>I'm
writing this to you off-list, but I'm doing so with the presumption <BR>that you
will reply to the list. That is, of course, your right.<BR><BR>You have made
several utterly unfounded accusations about me and other <BR>list members in the
mail below. I don't know who the customers are that <BR>you keep referring to,
but it isn't productive to anyone to continue to <BR>have these
conversations.<BR><BR>As I have said repeatedly before I do not wish to ban
anyone from the <BR>AA-WG mailing list, but also the list needs to be a useful
resource and <BR>discussion place for the community. So, if you will not respect
other <BR>members of the community then we will take action and remove you from
<BR>the list.<BR><BR>Please let me know your thoughts and whether you are
willing to engage <BR>in discussion without baseless accusations and ad hominem
attacks in the <BR>future.<BR><BR>Brian<BR>Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse
WG<BR><BR>Marilson wrote on 31/05/2017 03:12:<BR>> Brian,<BR>><BR>>
Please read this very carefully. There is no place on the World for<BR>>
people like you and your criminal partners, ISP owner.<BR>> This is a list to
discuss how to protect network abuse.<BR>><BR>> Please consider your
contributions to the list very carefully. You are<BR>> not acting in the
spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing<BR>> useful content for
good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the<BR>> other members of the
Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE,<BR>> with rare
exceptions.<BR>><BR>> I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh I
want to, and this<BR>> email should be taken as a warning that if you
continue to act as you<BR>> have done until today, that action will be taken.
You will have to<BR>> explain why you are scandalized by words like bullshit
- Nazi -<BR>> criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of customer.
Oh yeah,<BR>> you're not police and customer behavior is not your
responsibility,<BR>> right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility,
right? Your<BR>> arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the
acts, your<BR>> arguments are a joke.<BR>><BR>> Surely that will not
result in short term moderation of your behavior,<BR>> but, regrettably, if
necessary I will have to look at further steps such<BR>> as to show that your
anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste.<BR>><BR>> Now, prove that you also do
not tolerate the contradictory banning me.<BR>> :)))))<BR>><BR>>
Marilson<BR>><BR>> *From:* Brian Nisbet
<mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><BR>> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26
AM<BR>> *To:* Marilson <mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com><BR>> *Cc:*
Tobias Knecht <mailto:tk@abusix.com><BR>> *Subject:* Recent List
Discussion<BR>><BR>> Marilson,<BR>><BR>> As I said on list and I
have said before there is no place on the<BR>> mailing list for ad hominem
attacks, personal insults or accusations<BR>> (really of any sort). This is a
list to discuss how to deal with network<BR>> abuse. It is not here for you
to act in the way you have acted today.<BR>><BR>> Please consider your
contributions to the list very carefully. You are<BR>> not acting in the
spirit of the RIPE community nor are you providing<BR>> useful content for
the other members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.<BR>><BR>> I do not wish
to have to take further action, but this email should be<BR>> taken as a
warning that if your posts continue to have the content they<BR>> had today,
that action will be taken. At the very least that will result<BR>> in short
term moderation of your posts, but, regrettably, if necessary<BR>> we will
have to look at further steps such as removal from the list.<BR>><BR>>
Brian<BR>> Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse
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