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<DIV>Hi Esa,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thank you for your consideration. If there is a people with authority to
give moral lesson is the Finnish. A nation that respects ethnic diversity and is
descended from more than 120 nationalities.
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size=3 face=Calibri>One day I will attend the opera festival in the medieval
castle surrounded by the blue waters of the Saimaa.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Let me question some of your
concepts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>> you don't call people nazi unless they have
been convicted. Specially not somebody in Germany. Neither do you call them
criminal unless convicted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I accessed the Finland newspapers (highly prized
press freedom) and they called that person who allegedly detonated a bomb in
Manchester, a terrorist. Has he been convicted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Using your words I would say that people should
not act like a Nazi, especially not somebody in Germany.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>People are condemned for their acts not because
they are criminal or because of their convictions or ideologies. Thankfully we
have the guarantee of the Law of being what we want, including of being a
Nazi.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> I don't understand
what your goal when you use this kind of language. Are you trying to change
something to a positive direction, or are you just letting pressure out? If
former, you're failing.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Why do you think I'm failing? Everything is
running exactly as I planned. Thanks to you, Andre, Brian, Jeffrey,
Volker.</FONT> <FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My goal is to
expose a ISP owner to their colleagues inside a community that,
l</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>ike other communities or categories or
professions, they act in the defense of their members, corporatism, in a
flagrant false ethics. When you have to deal with this false ethics and with
people who use crystal balls to form knowledge and prejudge, the strategy is to
provoke such people's reaction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Anyway, thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Marilson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=esa@laitinen.org
href="mailto:esa@laitinen.org">Esa Laitinen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=marilson.mapa@gmail.com
href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">Marilson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi, Marilson
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<DIV>the language you use is not what will bring anything forward. You just ruin
whatever respect you had from others.</DIV>
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<DIV>you don't call people nazi unless they have been convicted. Specially not
somebody in Germany. Neither do you call them criminal unless convicted. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't understand what your goal when you use this kind of language. Are
you trying to change something to a positive direction, or are you just letting
pressure out? If former, you're failing. The people you convince that kind of
language are not the ones that can change something.</DIV>
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<DIV>In any case, the moderator told to pipe it down. I hope you do.</DIV>
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<DIV>yours,</DIV>
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<DIV>esa</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:16 PM Marilson <<A
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> I am not a criminal and not a criminal company.
So, I do<BR>> not have criminal competitors.</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Although this phrase is beyond my capacity for
understanding, I think I should greet you for not fearing unfair
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> Just on a side note, my opinion is that you
calling Martin Hetzner a<BR>> Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I'll explain to you what is not acceptable
behavior:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>1- It is you being customer of a provider owner
with a professional life history worthy of an arrogant sociopath with the
attitudes of a Nazi despot - reread the curriculum I related.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>2- It is you acting like some Afrikaners who
defended the principles of the National Socialist Party - read Nazism - that
gave support to the maintenance of apartheid in your homeland. Heil
Hetzner!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>3- It is an ISP owner refusing to suspend a
reported customer numerous times, for 18 months, with evidence of the practice
of crime.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>4- It is an ISP owner to allow a victim of his
client to spend 18 months denouncing the same scam, the same
scammer.</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> It is hate speech
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<DIV><BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A hate speech: If I
lived in Germany I would have sued this tramp. From where I am I can only
insult and report him to the world.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Disrespect to civil society are his
relationships with sociopath despots like Putin, are his attacks on freedom of
the press, are his pursuits those who fight spammers and give support for
reported criminals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Disrespect to civil society it is to defend and
hire the services of people who should be arrested.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Heil Coetzee!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Marilson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=andre@ox.co.za href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za"
target=_blank>ox</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:21
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=marilson.mapa@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
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Sat, 27 May 2017 21:26:42 -0300<BR>"Marilson" <<A
href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
target=_blank>marilson.mapa@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> If you
continue to call your competitors from criminal companies<BR>> someone will
call you Pot. :)<BR>> <BR>No, firstly, there is no competition between
lists... All lists have<BR>different data and sometimes different priorities
and focus. (Did you<BR>see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all time - this
has time focus -<BR>some lists adds weight for RIR, some lists focus on actual
syndicates,<BR>some on actual bot tech, some aggregate bots & syndicates -
for<BR>example - on your one IP number you may be hosting 900 domains
and<BR>only one of those belong to a crime syndicate sending spear or to
a<BR>child pornographer. - if you are on that list - find your criminal - and
get rid of them...<BR>some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated and with zero
(or next to<BR>zero) false positives. some lists randomly list ip numbers,
etc.<BR><BR>a list is a list and the quality of a list depends on the
maintenance thereof and <BR>the value it ads to society. This value is
sometimes displayed in the<BR>'score' or numerical weight attached to programs
similar to spamassassin<BR>assigned to a list by independent
users.<BR><BR>Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I
do<BR>not have criminal competitors.<BR><BR>Lastly, if there is a list that is
listing other lists for no reason and also lists <BR>honeynets (traps) and
victims - the advantage for doing that is only to<BR>criminal enterprise.
<BR><BR>Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner
a<BR>Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior.<BR><BR>It is hate
speech in itself and disrespectful to civil
society.<BR><BR>Andre<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>