<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY dir=ltr> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <DIV>Dear Andre, do not be so severe with my friend Olaf, the Prince of Spam. He is not 'behaving like a spammer', he is a spammer and does not hide it. 'Sending multiple emails, one after the other' is force of habit. :)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can be condescending for two reasons: he is not a hypocrite and is being victimized for his activities. He is paying a high price and reacts with anger (sorry Olaf). But he is paying due his actions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Worry about those who continue to act like greedy psychopaths under the umbrella of RIPE and their governments.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Marilson</DIV> <DIV>Never so few done so much harm to so many.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black">From: <A title=anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net</A> </DIV> <DIV>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:00 AM</DIV> <DIV>To: <A title=anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A> </DIV> <DIV>Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.ripe.net/ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner@ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RBL Discussion Update (ox) 2. Re: Language on List (ox) 3. Re: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 (ox) 4. Re: RBL Discussion Update (ox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:10:55 +0200 From: ox <andre@ox.co.za> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update Message-ID: <mailman.2.1485946802.31898.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:34:34 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote: <snip> > > i don't see 'tv advertisements' as a problem, cuz i never watch tv. > > i don't see 'spam' as a problem, cuz i (barely) never use smtp. > For those that do use smtp, and to identify those isps that refuse to stop abusing others, there needs to be a list. and, if you are an isp, making money from pushing packets, you need to be responsible for what packets you are puching, from child porn to common spam. for someone who do not care, you do rant and rave a lot though. and yes, technology will improve so that horse carts are not on the autobahn, but even when there are no horsecarts on the autobahn you still cannot push child porn or other rubbish on the autobahn as the autobahn has rules for all the cars traveling on it. Andre ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:45:24 +0200 From: ox <andre@ox.co.za> To: "Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net> Cc: Jeffrey Race <jrace@post.harvard.edu>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List Message-ID: <mailman.3.1485946802.31898.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:34:50 -0500 "Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net> wrote: > > The universal rule of ladies and gentlemen is to avoid giving I take very strong exception to this and on on this list. This type of sexual stereotyping is not only archaic but is extremely offensive to some people. Offensive comments has no place on an abuse workgroup and I demand an unqualified apology from jrace@post.harvard.edu Or, barring an apology, I would like jrace@post.harvard.edu to agree to self punish: Force yourself to watch two seasons of Bart Simpson (i suggest season 6 and maybe 9...) For the rest of his post, the writer has lost touch with reality and clearly has a higher regard for sensibilities than for communication and the free (OPEN) exchange of ideas. "Helping someone out" does not mean helping them from the side of the ditch into the actual ditch. It similarly does not mean that you should publish your bias and be as offensive as others have been. Then, your reply is pov (point of view - yours) your opinions are not facts... For example, someone else may have the opinion that: Expletives are useful, not only to display relationship and for communicative use but are fun to use! Offense is a choice and although I have understanding of your repressed humanity, a one word response to your post could simply have been "balls" And, speaking for myself, it is humorous when the boss farts by accident in a very formal meeting. What can I say, I am but a course obnoxious shitting and laughing brute. And I laugh at the thought of me, a killer (I eat meat) and my body processing that into energy (most of which is used by my brain) because the reality is so very freaky. I believe the British called my culture "Boors" because we seem so common, unsophisticated and, well "boorish" In truth we have so much ubuntu, so much compassion but we do not like bullshit. I hope that all helped you out (but probably not as Dinosaurs are as dinosaurs do...) Andre > offense. So one does not discuss or use references > (unless in a professional context e.g. doctor) to excretion or > sexual behavior. One avoids any negative references to > other persons and to political or religious beliefs. > > Those are good practices for this list. So excluding crap > and merde which are offensive words. > > Re: "generalised swearing. It's a part of modern language" -- > that's a culture-specific interpretation. Such behavior > doesn't occur in most of the world and it never occurred > when I was growing up in 1950s America; then > I went abroad for 45 years and coming back to America > smutty language is indeed widespread. It's not 'modern': > it's a degenerate phenomenon of certain cultures. It's > unknown in much of the world. It's repugnant to refined > sensibilities. Behaving this way doesn't betoken one's > "modernity" -- it betoken's one's personal coarseness. > > Jeffrey Race > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:37:06 +0200 From: ox <andre@ox.co.za> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 Message-ID: <mailman.4.1485946802.31898.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:08:19 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote: > smtp falls into the same catagory as telex, faxes, morse code, etc. > 'has been methods of communications'. whereas telex and faxes and do you think that if you say the same thing over and over and over, it is going to make it true? you have heard from other people (Marilson) as well: smtp is relevant, smtp is important - and the entire reason you are ranting and raving and sending five emails after each other to an abuse work group is smtp Then, you are abusing an abuse workgroup by sending multiple emails, one after the other... You are behaving like a spammer - blasting out multiple emails, one after the other, not waiting for someone to reply to your email, instead firing of three to six extra emails right after each other. What you are doing is not communication, you are simply pumping out the same message over and over and over and you are not even bothering to read replies to respond as you are responding to yourself, multiple times. So, when you reply to yourself, does it feel to you that your point is clearer? I do not even read your emails anymore, and I recall some of them were a useful and did contain good ideas, but it is too much effort to read your replies to yourself and now it is simply repetitive. Like your new thread, complaining about *drumroll* Spamhaus I did not use Spamhaus, but after all your ranting and raving I may actually start using them, they must be doing something worthwhile to draw so much anger. In fact, let me try Spamhaus and give the wg my pov as I do not have a pov about spamhaus atm and maybe the lesson to be learned from HRH Prince Olaf, is to try Spamhaus for myself? Maybe buy some of their commercial products?) Andre ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:47:09 +0200 From: ox <andre@ox.co.za> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update Message-ID: <mailman.5.1485946802.31898.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:23:07 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote: > On 01 ???, 2017 ? 05:10, ox wrote: > > For those that do use smtp, and to identify those isps that refuse > > to stop abusing others, there needs to be a list. > > > that's all very cute... as long as that 'list of isps' would remain <snip snip> > going 'spamhaus is now listing OUR networks, our sales department > can't send mail to 1/3rd of the world and they demand we disconnect luckily for you, smtp is dead and non important to you - so you can Facebook your clients :) Personally, I do not want emails from people (isps) who enable kiddie porn, spam, phish or other rubbish - so I CHOOSE to use RBLs that I trust and that I know are operated fairly and ethically. If isps want to be paid for pushing packets they need to take responsibility fro what they are pushing (CONTENT) - pushing child pornography, slavery and a whole buch of evil is simply not acceptable. It is not acceptable to say: I push traffic and I do not care what it is or how it is destroying little kids or the lives of innocent people. Andre End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 ******************************************** </DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>