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<DIV>Someone could help a non-native to understand the meaning of the word
(SANCTIONED) used by Andre?</DIV>
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<DIV>In the definition of Internet Abuse: *The non sanctioned use...*</DIV>
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<DIV>And in defining the terminology: *(5) Sanctioned - Infringement
upon...*</DIV>
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<DIV>The sanction verb as:</DIV>
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<DIV>In both sentences – SANCTIONED - as imposed sanction or permission and
sanction?</DIV>
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(ox)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 18:01:08 -0300<BR>From: "Marilson"
<marilson.mapa@gmail.com><BR>To:
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><BR>Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of
Internet Abuse - The agony of<BR>trying to unsubscribe<BR>Message-ID:
<00A5F6C9CEEA4D26B48EF249C755BD90@xPC><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>?People say we live in an age of information overload.
Right? I don't know about that, but I just know that I get too many marketing
emails.?<BR>?...I scrolled down to the bottom of the email, and I pressed,
"Unsubscribe." And I thought that'd be the end of it. But a week later, I got
another one that said,...?<BR>?And I thought, obviously, I haven't clicked hard
enough. So I tried it again. Right? Lo and behold, a week passes, you guessed
it,...?<BR>?And I was really annoyed with them, and I thought, OK, I was about
to write a strongly worded email, which I can do quite
well.?<BR><BR>http://www.ted.com/talks/james_veitch_the_agony_of_trying_to_unsubscribe<BR><BR>So
Andre, people who do this say they are not committing INTERNET ABUSE because
they put a link to unsubscribe. This is too much hypocrisy or they really
believe that we are mentally feeble?<BR>According to your concerns as you
classify this attitude?<BR><BR>I see billions of spam<BR><BR>Red scam
too<BR><BR>I see them blomm<BR><BR>For me and you<BR><BR>And I think to
myself<BR><BR>What a wonderful word<BR><BR><BR><BR>I see skies of
shit<BR><BR>And Clouds of bits<BR><BR>The bright blessed day<BR><BR>Become a
dark pit<BR><BR>And I think to myself<BR><BR>What a wonderful
word<BR><BR><BR><BR>The colors of the messages<BR><BR>So pretty in the
sky<BR><BR>Are also on the faces<BR><BR>Of spammers going by<BR><BR>I see
friends wasting time<BR><BR>Saying: "What can we do?"<BR><BR>They are really
saying<BR><BR>"I hate all of you"<BR><BR>Yes, I think to myself<BR><BR>What a
wonderful world<BR><BR><BR>Thanks<BR>Marilson<BR>-------------- next part
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2<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 03:41:56 +0100<BR>From: Richard Clayton
<richard@highwayman.com><BR>To: ox <andre@ox.co.za><BR>Cc:
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<BR>Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol
59, Issue 7<BR>Message-ID:
<AGFTn+I0zizXFAOi@highwayman.com><BR><BR>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED
MESSAGE-----<BR>Hash: SHA1<BR><BR>In message , ox <andre@ox.co.za>
writes<BR><BR>>Dealing with your first point, I do agree and you are imho,
quite<BR>>correct about the abuse from legacy resources.<BR><BR>no -- I was
concerned about abuse OF legacy resources :(<BR><BR>>However, the current
definition of Internet abuse is: --> use of a<BR>>resource to infringe
upon the usage rights of another resource<BR>><BR>>So, this caters exactly
for ALL resources, including legacy resources...<BR>><BR>>Thank you for
your feedback about, sanctioned, but it exists only to<BR>>reflect
<BR><BR>you've missed my point<BR><BR>you define abuse as "non sanctioned"
activity... that is, activity for<BR>which permission has not been
granted. Fair enough (so far as it goes)<BR><BR>you then define
"sanctioned" as being infringement :-( rather than<BR>setting out a definition
which has something to do with the complexity<BR>of what permission
means.<BR><BR>- --
<BR>richard
Richard Clayton<BR><BR>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a
little temporary <BR>Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin
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3<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 07:37:32 +0200<BR>From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za><BR>To: Richard Clayton
<richard@highwayman.com><BR>Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<BR>Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 59, Issue 7<BR>Message-ID:
<mailman.406.1473140263.2752.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<BR><BR>On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 03:41:56 +0100<BR>Richard
Clayton <richard@highwayman.com> wrote:<BR>> In message , ox
<andre@ox.co.za> writes<BR>> >Dealing with your first point, I do
agree and you are imho, quite<BR>> >correct about the abuse from legacy
resources.<BR>> no -- I was concerned about abuse OF legacy resources
:(<BR>> >However, the current definition of Internet abuse is: --> use
of a<BR>> >resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another
resource<BR>> >So, this caters exactly for ALL resources, including
legacy<BR>> >resources...<BR>> >Thank you for your feedback about,
sanctioned, but it exists only to<BR>> >reflect <BR>> <BR>> you've
missed my point<BR>> <BR>I have not.<BR><BR>> you define abuse as "non
sanctioned" activity... that is, activity<BR>> for which permission has
not been granted. Fair enough (so far as it<BR>> goes)<BR>> <BR>I do
no such thing...<BR><BR>> you then define "sanctioned" as being infringement
:-( rather than<BR>> setting out a definition which has something to do with
the complexity<BR>> of what permission means.<BR>> <BR>no, you are wrong
again...<BR><BR>Let me help you with it?<BR><BR>Abuse core definition: - Read it
:: s l o w l y
<BR><BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>use
of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another
resource<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Then,
read my previous reply, again?<BR><BR><BR>Richard,<BR><BR>Dealing with your
first point, I do agree and you are imho, quite<BR>correct about the abuse from
legacy resources.<BR><BR>However, the current definition of Internet abuse is:
--> use of a<BR>resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another
resource<BR><BR>So, this caters exactly for ALL resources, including legacy
resources...<BR><BR>Thank you for your feedback about, sanctioned, but it exists
only to<BR>reflect that when I, the owner of domain example.com "abuses"
the<BR>richard@example.com resource - by deleting richard@ (of course
this<BR>extends to RIR and other resources as well)<BR><BR>In the case of
'sanctioned' as above, when a legacy resource user is<BR>denied the use of that
resource by new 'administrative holder' of<BR>rights to that resource, that
would then not be 'abuse' as such 'abuse'<BR>would in fact be
sanctioned.<BR><BR>So, if you read it like that, do you agree that it is the
right way<BR>around and is correct?<BR><BR>Thank you so much for contributing
and helping<BR><BR>Andre<BR><BR><BR>On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 17:26:48 +0100<BR>Richard
Clayton <richard@highwayman.com> wrote:<BR>>
>======================<BR>> >Definition of Internet abuse <BR>>
>======================<BR>> >"The non sanctioned use of a resource to
infringe upon the usage<BR>> >rights of another resource"<BR>>
>--------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
>Terminology used in the above definition<BR>>
>--------------------------------------------------------<BR>> >(5)
Sanctioned<BR>> >Infringement upon the use of a resource by the assignor
or<BR>> >administrative holder of rights to a resource <BR>> that
definition of "sanctioned" is backwards from what you intend to<BR>>
say<BR>> (not that I think it's a useful thing to say in such
continuing<BR>> isolation, but you might as well make it coherent)<BR>>
BTW: a considerable chunk of the problem, in practice, relates to<BR>> abuse
of "legacy" resources. The assignor is dead and the argument is<BR>> made
that there can be no administration of them ...<BR>>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> - -- <BR>>
richard
Richard<BR>> Clayton<BR>> <BR>> Those who would give up essential
Liberty, to purchase a little<BR>> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty
nor Safety. Benjamin<BR>> Franklin 11 Nov 1755<BR>> <BR>> -----BEGIN
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