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<p>Insults usually get you ignored by any provider. It does not
matter if you have a valid complaint, if you insult us you are
disqualified.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.09.2016 um 00:20 schrieb
Marilson:<br>
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<div>On Aug 31, 2016 02:22 AM Andre Coetzee wrote:</div>
<div>> Just this very long thread and all the confusion
about what is actually<br>
> Internet abuse and what is not - serves as plain and
evident proof that<br>
> even this, an actual anti-abuse WG, desperately needs a
definition of<br>
> Internet Abuse. Civil society is simply ignorant of
their own<br>
> requirement(s).</div>
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<div>First I want to thank you for having changed your
attitude and not have mocked.</div>
<div>I do not know whether the members of the group
desperately needs a definition of Internet Abuse. But as a
member of civil society, non-technical in IT, end user of
the Internet and real victim of abuse, I can guarantee you
that we need desperately is an ethical and honest behavior
on the part of ISPs. The rest has not the least importance.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>For me it is not clear your goal. But it is not of my
business. And I congratulate you again. But if you intend to
use the technical definition of Internet Abuse to decide
whether the complaint of a victim of abuse should or should
not put a domain on the blocklist, your group will not have
credibility. You will be thwarting a real victim of abuse to
have his case met due to a technicality.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>> 2. I am also <a moz-do-not-send="true" style="href:
"mailto:ac@spamcop.net"">ac@spamcop.net</a> -
SpamCop is also a community although <br>
> operated graciously and ethically by Cisco. We are all
honorable,<br>
> ethical and honest people - I challenge you in public
to tell me the<br>
> name or email address of one SpamCop member that is not
that?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>You continue underestimating people. Sorry to disappoint
you. I threw a bait - spamcop - and you bit. ;) Regarding
your challenge I will make much more than you asked for. I
will paste below the only two messages between me and a
spamcop member. And these messages occurred only because I
was forced to complain about the SpamCop by copying for
Cisco's Privacy Mailer.</div>
<div>All my messages addressed to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:support@spamcop.net">support@spamcop.net</a>
correcting the source of spam identification were constantly
ignored by these honorable and ethical people. I was
throwing away my time because the reports, via spamcop,
would never come to the sources of scam. To solve this I
appealed to Cisco: (follow the dates - had to insult to be
attended)</div>
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face="Tahoma"><b><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net" style="href:
"mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, January 11,
2016 5:48 PM</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" style="href:
"mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
face="Tahoma">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: Fw: Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-DECORATION: ; FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ;
DISPLAY: inline"><font color="#9b00d3">Thank you for the
information. A cache refresh has changed the<br>
reporting addresses used for 212.47.224.0/19<br>
<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
Please include previous correspondence with replies<br>
.:|:.:|:.</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><font color="#9b00d3"><font
face="Tahoma"><b><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" style="href:
"mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, January 11,
2016 6:34 AM</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="privacy@cisco.com" style="href:
"mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Fw: Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#9b00d3">Thank you for nothing,
arrogants of shit...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"> <font face="Calibri" size="3">*******************************************</font></font></font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><font
color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
style="href:
"mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, December
11, 2015 12:11 PM</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="privacy@cisco.com" style="href:
"mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#9b00d3">Gentlemen, your
subsidiary<strong><em> Spamcop</em></strong>
is incurring a mistake repeatedly. I can not
find a way or formulary to contact spamcop and
explain where the error is.</font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">I appeal to you to
resolve this problem:</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">I managed that a known
Brazilian spammer, who uses spam to practice
embezzlement, be put out of 2 or 3 ISPs. Now
he is using a new provider - <strong><em>Tiscali.fr</em></strong>
- with the IP <strong><em>212.47.244.217</em></strong>.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">To this IP the address
is<strong><em> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
style="href:
"mailto:abuse@proxad.net"">abuse@proxad.net</a></em></strong></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">To <strong><em>tiscali.fr</em></strong>,
a subsidiary of <strong><em>tiscali.it</em></strong>,
is <strong><em><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abuse@it.tiscali.com">abuse@it.tiscali.com</a></em></strong></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">Spamcop insists on
using <strong><em><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abuse@tiscali.fr">abuse@tiscali.fr</a></em></strong></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">This address does not
exist. If this is not corrected the criminal
spammer will not be denounced.</font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">Thanks</font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">Marilson</font></div>
<div>*******************************************</div>
<div>As requests for corrections continued to be
ignored, I decided to check the send to the
correctly identified sources. Now the
disappointment was absolute. No complaint was
sent. More than a year doing complaints and
nothing was sent. I decided upending the tea
table and treat them with the respect they
deserved:</div>
<div> </div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><font
color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
style="href:
"mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font
color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Wednesday,
August 17, 2016 1:55 PM</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net"
style="href:
"mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="privacy@cisco.com"
style="href:
"mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a><font
face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="guardian.readers@theguardian.com"
style="href:
"mailto:guardian.readers@theguardian.com""><font
face="Tahoma">guardian.readers@theguardian.com</font></a><font
face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="wsj.ltrs@wsj.com"
style="href:
"mailto:wsj.ltrs@wsj.com""><font
face="Tahoma">The Wall Street
Journal</font></a><font
face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="spam@uce.gov" style="href:
"mailto:spam@uce.gov""><font
face="Tahoma">spam@uce.gov</font></a><font
face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="gmail-abuse@google.com"
style="href:
"mailto:gmail-abuse@google.com""><font
face="Tahoma">gmail-abuse@google.com</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font
color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[SpamCop (208.84.242.164)
id:6470587522]=?UTF-8?B?Q09SUkVJT1MgLSBPYmpldG8gYWd1YXJkYW5kbyBy..</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#9b00d3">...to help me
identify the source of spam ?!? I don’t
need help of anyone to identify the
source of spam. Several times I
corrected your wrong source. I do this
better than your company. What I can not
do is block a domain. Yes, I opted to
send a copy of each of these reports to
my own address <strong>AND FOR THOSE
NETWORKS REFERENCED IN SCAN.</strong></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><em><font
style="COLOR: #9b00d3">> You then
flipped out on Cisco's Privacy
Mailer because we were sending you
mail, mail you sent yourself. </font></em></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">Are you crazy? A
half-wit? Is that your excuse for your
criminal behavior? I copied to Cisco’s
Privacy Mailer because you never sent
any of my complaints for those networks
referenced. During an entire year, liar
idiot. Countless hours were lost because
of you, rascal. You must to learn to
respect the people.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
color="#000000">(follow various
insults that I can not repeat at this
working group)</font></font></div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3">Marilson</font></div>
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normal">
<div><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
size="3">*****************************************************************</font></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div style="font-color: black"><font
color="#9b00d3"><font
face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net"
style="href:
"mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font
color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Wednesday, August 17, 2016
12:14 PM</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
face="Tahoma"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
style="href:
"mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
face="Tahoma"><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma"><font
color="#9b00d3"><b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
Fw: [SpamCop (208.84.242.164)
id:6470587522]=?UTF-8?B?Q09SUkVJT1MgLSBPYmpldG8gYWd1YXJkYW5kbyBy..</font></font></font></div>
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<div style="TEXT-DECORATION: ;
FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ; DISPLAY: inline"><font
color="#9b00d3">I think you missed the
point of my first writing.<br>
<br>
SpamCop has been here for the last
year to help you identify the source<br>
of spam you receive and help you send
a complaint to the parties that<br>
are responsible for those networks
sending the spam.<br>
<br>
As part of your settings, you opted to
send a copy of each of these<br>
reports to your own address. This was
an email from you (your SpamCop<br>
account) to you. You then flipped out
on Cisco's Privacy Mailer because<br>
we were sending you mail, mail you
sent yourself.<br>
<br>
SpamCop operates very independently of
Cisco. The privacy office is in<br>
place to ensure we operate according
to the privacy policy published by<br>
Cisco and to investigate where there
is an accusation or suspicion the<br>
privacy policy may have been
breached...</font></div>
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<div>***************************************************************</div>
<div>Well Andre, Richard is not a honorable,
ethical and honest guy.</div>
<div>You can use the argument you wish to explain
these facts. But I will not discuss it, in this
group, with you.</div>
<div>My goal was to denounce spamcop here. Thank
you. My disputes with SpamCop and Cisco will
continue but in other forums. But if you want to
discuss the tricks of Netcraft... I am all ears!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Marilson</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
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