<html><head></head><body>Hi all, As a representative of a RIPE member, LIR ru.fotontelecom, I'd like to express my full agreement with Ronald F. Guilmette that the information on terminated membership MUST be publicly available, otherwise it leads to conclusion that RIPE NCC is playing games with both membership and those abusers which they were receiving money from. I fully understand that this is a serious accusation, but I can't find any other reason for RIPE NCC to justify obscuring this data. <div class="gmail_quote">22 августа 2016 г. 23:16:47 GMT+03:00, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com> пишет:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail"> In message <e6dccd6b-a4d4-6900-b6ba-8389a4adb934@ripe.net>, Ingrid Wijte <ingrid@ripe.net> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">The RIPE NCC does not disclose non-public information on a voluntary basis. We are unable to share this with the working group. </blockquote> Ms. Wijte, Let us be clear about this. We are discussing seven cases from 2015 and 2016 in which some legal entity behaved so badly that it actually had its membership terminated by RIPE NCC for non-financial reasons. As you have already stipulated, these entities are not natural persons, and thus, EU personal privacy regulations do not apply to any of these cases. Separately and additionally, you have stated that RIPE NCC is under no ongoing legal obligation whatsoever with respect to these seven entities. More to the point however, although RIPE NCC may indeed wish, as a matter of policy, to refrain from disclosing "non-public information", any such policy is obviously, demonstratably, and utterly irrelevant to the request I have made. I am compelled to call your attention to the fact that within essentially all of the countries that comprise the RIPE geographical region, governmental records of the legitimate existance of legally established business and non-profit entities... including even RIPE NCC itself... are in fact open public records. Thus, it would appear, RIPE NCC legal staff is now placing itself in the rather awkard position of refusing to release records which, by their very nature, are public governmental records, i.e. those which merely attest to the bare legal existance of these seven former, and now terminated, RIPE NCC members. Given these facts, I ask you again to provide to the Anti-Abuse Working Group the various bona fides documents which these seven dubious "legal" entities used when they originally applied for their now terminated RIPE NCC memberships. There is no compelling reason, either as a matter of law, or as a matter of policy, for RIPE NCC legal staff to deliberately withhold what are in fact public governmental records and documents. Should the RIPE NCC legal staff continue to do so, then I believe that action will call into question the legal staff's true motivations with respect to this matter. Thus, I reiterate my request yet again, and ask you, in your capacity as a representative of the RIPE NCC legal staff, to provide these documents to the Working Group without further delay. Regards, rfg </pre></blockquote></div> -- Sergey Simonenko Foton Telecom CJSC Chief Technical Officer </body></html>