<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <div> <div> <div>Personally I find this email to be entirely non-sensical, your specific dealings with cloudflare or other vendors are in my opinion not relevant discourse, but instead of ccing the WG on these why not write up your issues and suggestions into a constructive email for the WG to discuss. Ccing a WG on an abuse complaint doesn’t serve any constructive means that I can see.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>-jg</div> <div> <div id="MAC_OUTLOOK_SIGNATURE"></div> </div> </div> </div> <div><br> </div> <span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> <div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:12pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Marilson<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday 5 October 2015 14:30<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>"<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report updated: (#594134) Conspiracy for the practice of organized crime with phishing<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <div>Hi Michele, how are you?</div> <div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><font face="Arial">>Why on earth is this exchange being Cced to this group?</font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">Michele given your behavior in anti-abuse-wg, I was already waiting your comment and knew exactly what would you say. After all, Blacknight is a domain register and hosting company. I will not wish you my condolences because I do not know how your company reacts to reports of abuse.</p> <div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline"> <div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><font face="Arial"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>If you have an issue with company X and want to discuss it – fine.</font></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">I did not bring to this group a particular problem with a particular company. I always try into my complaints to cover a spectrum of the problem with respect to the activities of e-mail marketing as a whole. And that's relevant to the group.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">In this particular case, that you has reacted promptly and as expected, I used my complaint to CloudFlare to discuss the basic and universal foundation of the criminal behavior of ISPs and Registrars. CloudFlare had the right to say - <em>and we with this?</em> Not you! If the data reported and the accusations made are not relevant to the group, close the group because you would be a joke.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">I understand that if ISPs and Registrars act in accordance with their privacy policies and anti-spam, 90% would be closed and tens of thousands of people would be unemployed. But since when it gives them the right to protect criminals and spammers or to refuse to suspend a scammer as has happened to me?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">So let's decriminalize the smuggling of weapons, sex slaves, drugs, money laundering, pedophilia, etc., etc., because it will create jobs and money back to the market.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">Anyway Michele, you're trying to turn the main reason of the existence of anti-abuse in a particular issue in order not to discuss an anti-social behavior that guarantees your job, this might be the reason for your behavior? If not excuse me.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">I certainly did not bring a particular problem to the group. You're trying to turn it into a particular problem. Please explain why you're doing it.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Thanks</font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Marilson</font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><b></b> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><b>From:</b><a title="michele@blacknight.com" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">Michele Neylon - Blacknight</a></p> <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 2015 5:23 AM</div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com"> Marilson</a> </div> <div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a> </div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report updated: (#594134) Conspiracy for the practice of organized crime with phishing</div> </div> </div> <div> </div> </div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline"> <div> <div> <div>Why on earth is this exchange being Cced to this group?</div> <div> </div> <div>If you have an issue with company X and want to discuss it – fine. It probably won’t help you too much…</div> <div> </div> <div>But Ccing the entire WG on your exchanges with them? </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> <div id=""> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">--</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Mr Michele Neylon</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Blacknight Solutions</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace"><a href="http://www.blacknight.host/">http://www.blacknight.host/</a></div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace"><a href="http://blog.blacknight.com/">http://blog.blacknight.com/</a></div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace"><a href="http://ceo.hosting/">http://ceo.hosting/</a> </div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">-------------------------------</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: consolas, monospace">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> </div> <span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; COLOR: black; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; TEXT-ALIGN: left; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in"> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </span>anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Marilson<br> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </span>Sunday 4 October 2015 23:55<br> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span>CloudFlare Trust & Safety<br> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>"<br> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report updated: (#594134) Conspiracy for the practice of organized crime with phishing<br> </div> <div> </div> <div><style type="text/css"> table td { border-collapse: collapse; } </style> <div style="WIDTH: 100% !important; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <div>Hi Justin, thank you for your quick response.</div> <div> </div> <div>I know that CloudFlare is not a hosting provider and I would add one other thing - the CloudFlare has no crystal ball! Perfect! Nothing to question. On the contrary, I know that you make than 2,000,000 web properties faster and safer, but dear, who will protect more than 6,000,000,000 of peoples against some CloudFlare clients who are accomplice of scammers and spammers and use PIA?</div> <div> </div> <div>Look, already in May 2009 Lance Whitney wrote to CNET:</div> <div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0% 0%; COLOR: ; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"><font face="Helvetica"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><strong><em>“Spam now accounts for 90.4 percent of all e-mail, according to a report released Monday from security vendor Symantec. This means that 1 out of every 1.1 e-mails is junk. The report also notes that spam shot up 5.1 percent just from April to May</em></strong></font>.”</font></font></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><span lang="PT-BR" style="mso-ansi-language: pt-br"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.cnet.com/news/report-spam-now-90-percent-of-all-e-mail/">http://www.cnet.com/news/report-spam-now-90-percent-of-all-e-mail/</a></font></span> <span lang="PT-BR" style="mso-ansi-language: pt-br"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">These numbers explain, beyond any doubt because many ISPs and Registrars are accomplices of scammers and spammers. Their privacy policies and anti-spam are the joke of the twenty-first century and nothing is more hypocritical.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt">So Justin, as I said, you have no crystal ball, but I sent you evidence that your client is an accomplice of a scammer, what will you do? Will do as do the greedy sociopaths of Softlayer-IBM, Enzu, Namecheap, eNom, UOL, Lomadee-Experian, m-zone.cz, studenka.cz, Aruba, Locaweb, Microsoft, etc?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0% 0%; COLOR: ; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt">Bye</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0% 0%; COLOR: ; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt">Marilson</span></p> <div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline"> <div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div> <div><b>From:</b> <a title="abuse@cloudflare.com" href="mailto:abuse@cloudflare.com"> CloudFlare Trust & Safety</a> </div> <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:17 PM</div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com"> Marilson</a> </div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Report updated: (#594134) Conspiracy for the practice of organized crime with phishing</div> </div> </div> <div> </div> </div> <div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline"> <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande',verdana,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: #444444; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px"> <div style="COLOR: #b5b5b5">##- Please type your reply above this line -##</div> <p>Hello <a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a>, </p> <p>Your report (<a href="https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/requests/594134" target="_blank">#594134</a>) has been been replied to. Note -- When responding please make sure to keep <a href="https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/requests/594134" target="_blank">#594134</a> in the subject line.</p> <div style="MARGIN-TOP: 25px" data-version="2"> <table style="COLOR: #444444" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="BORDER-TOP: #c5c5c5 1px dotted; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px" width="100%"> <table style="TABLE-LAYOUT: fixed; COLOR: #444444" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px" valign="top" width="100%"> <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Sans',verdana,tahoma,sans-serif; COLOR: #1b1d1e; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <strong>Justin</strong> <span class="directional_text_wrapper">(CloudFlare)</span></p> <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 15px; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Sans',verdana,tahoma,sans-serif; COLOR: #bbbbbb; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 25px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> Oct 4, 1:17 AM </p> <div class="zd-comment" style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> Thank you for your report.</p> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> To expedite processing of your abuse report, please submit your abuse report through CloudFlare's abuse reporting web form at:</p> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> <a href="https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/" rel="noreferrer">https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/</a></p> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> Please be aware CloudFlare offers network service solutions, including a reverse proxy, pass-through security service and a content distribution network (CDN).</p> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> Because CloudFlare is a reverse proxy, our IP addresses appear in whois and DNS records for websites using our services. CloudFlare is not a hosting provider, and we do not have access to our customer's content.</p> <p style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Grande', 'Tahoma', verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: #2b2e2f; MARGIN: 15px 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px"> Regards,<br> CloudFlare Trust and Safety</p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div style="BORDER-TOP: #eeeeee 1px solid; COLOR: #aaaaaa; PADDING-TOP: 10px; MARGIN: 10px 0px 14px"> This email is a service from CloudFlare. </div> </div> <span style="COLOR: #ffffff">Message-Id:N2X4QD46E1_56107008d4976_ae873f877f2cd328175239_sprut</span> <div style="DISPLAY: none" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/EmailMessage"> <div itemtype="http://schema.org/ViewAction" itemscopeitemprop="action"><link href="https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/requests/594134" itemprop="url"> <meta content="View ticket" itemprop="name"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </span> </body> </html>