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<font size="+1"><tt>Hi Tim<br>
<br>
Thanks for the reply. I will give a brief comment, although I
can give more details if necessary.<br>
<br>
According to the policy ripe-563 "abuse-c:" is mandatory on all
internet resources, including non-LIR assignments. Legacy
resource holders are not required to follow all RIPE policies
and do not need to provide it. However, if they choose to supply
this information they must use the methods available within the
RIPE Database.<br>
<br>
The impact analysis on this policy<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2011-06">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2011-06</a><br>
covered the cleanup of "abuse-mailbox:" from other objects by
converting them into "remarks:".<br>
<br>
But it does no harm to discuss it again and ask the community to
reaffirm the cleanup process.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
Denis Walker<br>
Independent Netizen<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/2015 17:18, Tim Bruijnzeels
wrote:<br>
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Dear colleagues,
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 05 May 2015, at 15:59,
denis walker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk" class="">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</blockquote>
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When the original implementation plan was put forward for
"abuse-c:", the time line (if I remember correctly) was:<br
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-allowing 6 months to deploy to all members allocations<br
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-then 12 months to deploy to all independent resources<br
class="">
-then do a cleanup<br class="">
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<div class="">I believe you are referring to this:</div>
<div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/kranjbar/implementation-details-of-policy-2011-06"
class="">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/kranjbar/implementation-details-of-policy-2011-06</a></div>
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</div>
<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">Can the RIPE NCC confirm
that all resources now have an "abuse-c:"?</blockquote>
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<div class="">No, there are still organisations without
abuse-c associated with resources.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">1 = Some LIRs are still missing abuse-c</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Once the abuse-c has been set up for an
organisation it cannot be removed, although it can be
modified. However, "abuse-c:" still needs to be set for some
LIRs created after phase-1 was completed. This is due to the
fact that until recently new LIRs needed to create their own
maintainer, abuse-c role object manually after membership
activation. So new cases of LIRs that do not have an abuse-c
set up were added every day.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">We updated the member activation process
recently and now a maintainer and abuse-c role are created
as part of the activation process.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">So, going forward we can now contact the
remaining LIRs to set the abuse-c, and be sure that no new
cases are created. We have not done this yet, because we
were focusing on implementing the phase 1 and 2 of
deprecating changed first.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">2 = Not all organisations have an abuse-c</div>
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</div>
<div class="">The RIPE NCC only has a policy mandate to
enforce abuse-c for organisations associated with resources
allocated or assigned through the RIPE NCC. I.e.
organisations holding legacy resources or assignments made
by LIRs are not covered.</div>
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</div>
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</div>
<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">The idea of "abuse-c:" was
to create one single place/way of documenting abuse
contact details. So far all that has been achieved is to
add a fourth way to document it. All the old ways
("abuse-mailbox:" in 5 object types, IRT and remarks) are
still littered throughout the database.<br class="">
</blockquote>
</div>
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</div>
<div class="">A schema change like this would need to be
discussed in the database working group, and can only be
done in case "abuse-c:" can be made mandatory for all
organisations - and this would also have to be discussed
there.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">From a technical point of view this change is
not necessarily difficult to implement, provided that
missing abuse-c roles could be created using either the
existing abuse-mailbox or email attribute on organisations -
presumably the addresses people would turn to today in the
absence of an explicit abuse-c. So, in a way this change
should not have a big semantic impact. Consistency would
help to reduce complexity in documentation and business
rules. It would also make it easier when assigning resources
to new non-LIR organisations - now we need to check whether
abuse-c has been set, because it's not mandatory and we
often find that this makes dealing with requests longer.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">But that said, the above is only a partial
picture of this, and this should in our view be discussed in
the database working group. We can implement after consensus
is called.</div>
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</div>
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<div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Tim Bruijnzeels</div>
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<div class="">Assistant Manager Software Engineering</div>
<div class="">RIPE NCC</div>
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