<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> Hi Gert,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Let me ask you a question: Which is the mision of RIPE?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> RIPE's web site say: We serve our members by delivering a high quality registry and supporting the core Internet infrastructure. Connecting people within and beyond the technical community through our inclusive, multi-stakeholder approach, we contribute to an innovative and reliable Internet.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Do you really think RIPE is serving its mission?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Do you really think RIPE database is a high quality registry when the single requirement to the LIRs is not provide untruthful information , but it does not matter if it is unuseful, as, for example, abuse contact email address?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Do you really think RIPE is providing a reliable internet? RIPE's delegation of their responsabilities is driving internet to be blocked by a lot of national firewall because of local application of copyright or anti abuse legislaton. Is this the RIPE's reliable internet?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Ángel<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p> -----Mensaje original----- De: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Enviado el: jueves, 06 de noviembre de 2014 16:08 Para: Angel Fernandez Pineda CC: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net; laura@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Hijack Factory: AS201640 / AS200002 <o:p> </o:p> Hi,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 02:55:52PM +0000, <a href="mailto:anfernandez@lavanguardia.es"> anfernandez@lavanguardia.es</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p> > When RIPE is actually a judge that decided to protecting internet piracy. You can be sure that RIPE will open an expedient to any LIR that do not pay its fee, but you can keep waiting to see RIPE opening an expedient to investigate bad use of internet by one of their associated LIRs.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> It should be made totally clear that spamming, pirating movies, and so on is a legitimate usage of IP addresses IF THE JURISDICTION OF THE LIR IN QUESTION PERMITS IT.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> We might not *like* it, but if it's legal in, say, Romania to send out large amounts of e-mail, attacking the RIPE NCC for providing IP addresses to a LIR in .ro is not the way to fix it.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Now, we all might agree that SPAM is evil, and pirating moviez is also evil. What about encouraging political debate? China might have a stance here. What about pictures of men kissing men? Russia might not like that.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Things that are totally inacceptable for some parties are things that other parties want protected by freedom of speech, or freedom of doing business.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> So, the NCC can, will and *should* not act on "things people do not like" - it will (and does) act if being lied to, or if a judge decides that a LIR's business is illegal.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> In this particular case, I wonder why nobody is yelling at the upstream who is happily forward packets for that AS... due dilligence at accepting customer prefixes would have easily caught the announcements.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> (Yes, I understand that I'm now officially part of the problem, as I'm obviously not willing to do everything technically possible to stop particular sorts of badness)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Gert Doering<o:p></o:p> -- NetMaster<o:p></o:p> --<o:p></o:p> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard<o:p></o:p> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<o:p></o:p> D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<o:p></o:p> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>