not my intention to rake it up either but do believe me, it is dangerous if an us versus them mentality were to take root in the rir / netops community against groups that are on your side against a common enemy On Friday, June 21, 2013, Brian Nisbet wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote the following on 21/06/2013 13:07: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Friday, June 21, 2013, Erik Bais wrote: For those that want to read up on what actually happened on that specific incident in Latvia (July/August 2010), have a read on the following open letter from CERT.lv <a href="https://cert.lv/uploads/uploads/OpenLetter.pdf" target="_blank">https://cert.lv/uploads/uploads/OpenLetter.pdf</a> Erik Bais To maintain some balance on an issue that involved blocking one ISP (not "all of latvia") that was hosting bot spammers for a very long time indeed .. a couple of other articles. <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/spamhaus_latvia/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/spamhaus_latvia/</a> And an assessment of this situation from another organization- Trend Micro, which can, in some cases, be seen as competing with spamhaus (they after all acquired the original MAPS RBL lists) <a href="http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/spamhaus-listing-rightfully-lists-latvian-hoster/" target="_blank">http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/spamhaus-listing-rightfully-lists-latvian-hoster/</a> Quite frankly my sympathies are not with <a href="http://nic.lv" target="_blank">nic.lv</a> <<a href="http://nic.lv" target="_blank">http://nic.lv</a>> in this matter. </blockquote> It is a complicated situation and while I'm not necessarily a fan of the action taken or how it played out, my initial comment was overly glib. My intent was to point out that wide reaching actions have been taken in the past and I apologise for the remark. I have no particular with to reignite nor insert myself into that argument. Brian </blockquote> -- --srs (iPad)