I prefer to use the analogy of a bank manager disbursing loans. He has a fiduciary duty to ensure deadbeats don't get loans .. And any fraud .. He detects it, takes proactive action within his sphere of influence and passes it to law enforcement for actual punishment. But not granting or revoking the loan isn't something he leaves to the police. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Lu Heng wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ripe is a bookkeeper, not a law enforcer. and I guess we had enough law enforcer around every of us. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Brian Nisbet <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'brian.nisbet@heanet.ie')">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>> wrote: </blockquote> -- --srs (iPad)