[pardon for the top post] @ list@help Do you believe in consensus? If you do than the consensus of this WG is very clear. The pace is very slow but atleast in forward direction. Only IMO Secondly, I requested you humbly to compile a list of real issues with real work examples and share it with everyone so anyone who failed to understand the meeting minutes can get the proper insight of real issues. Can you please point me to that particular mail from archives where you listed all the "real" issues. I couldnt find any from 'list@help' Sorry, I don't want to visit the site you mentioned to gather any information. I went there once and saw loads of google ads and I dont want to be part of any revenue stream. Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui. On Thursday, June 14, 2012, <a href="mailto:lists@help.org">lists@help.org</a> <<a href="mailto:lists@help.org">lists@help.org</a>> wrote: >>This is a working group, the word 'working' implying that some effort is expected of active participants. > > Not all people are active participants. �The vast majority of people affected are not active participants and some people just want to see what is going on. > >>Non-participants who find the terminology difficult to understand are better served by less specific information. > > I am glad you have decided for all those millions of Internet users what is best for them. �Basically you are admitting there is no consensus process and that few people get to decide what everyone else gets to know. > > I have already submitted a list of issues several times to this group and RIPE and nobody wants to describe these issues on the information that is provided to the Internet community. �I am compiling that information at <a href="http://WhoisSecurity.com">http://WhoisSecurity.com</a>. �I still have more work to do and I will be adding information as I get it but you are free to take any information there and add it to your various reports. �A couple here people have sent me suggestions of things to look into and I am getting to it. �I am hoping to hear back from ARIN, CIRA, and the US Department of Commerce (.us) about their whois policies and their enforcement as it relates to the information being harvested, repackaged and sold in whois history reports and the legal authority behind those banner notices. �I don't expect I will get any solid answers from those entities but I have made the inquiries. > > > -- Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui