<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, the meeting minutes are so vague and unclear that most people would have no idea what is discussed or what the issues are. For instance, the issues include that there is no linkage between the EU privacy laws and the actions taken by RIPE. The same goes for the so-called consensus process. it is so vague and the issues are not spelled out so anyone can claim a "consensus" even though the issues were never really identified. Also, there is a proposal to change the way abuse contacts are listed in the database. however, there is no description as to what makes those contacts fundamentally different from other contacts as it relates to the law and the claimed "consensus". The minutes seemed designed to make sure outsiders have no idea what is going on. It is interesting to note the ".ro" database that claims technical contacts cannot be revealed because it is protected by a specific privacy law. they also claim "copyrights" on the data even though copyrights do not cover lists of facts like whois data. Thank You </body> </html>