<font color='black' size='3' face='Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <div> Yes. Termination is an effective way to get rid off abuse and fraud. Together we fight against scam and fraud. ISPs should take immediate actions to curb these evil activities.<br> </div> <div> <br> </div> <div style="clear:both"><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="font:lighter 10px Verdana, Arial;color:#000000;"><img src="http://presence.mail.aol.com/mailsig/?sn=noijam" align="absmiddle" border="0"></a> <div><strong><em><font size="5" face="impact, sans-serif">scam fighter</font></em></strong></div> <div><img alt=":-)" src="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/smile.png" width="25" height="25"><img alt=":-[" src="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/shame.png" width="25" height="25"><img alt=":-P" src="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/tongue.png" width="25" height="25"><img alt=":-$" src="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/greed.png" width="25" height="25"></div> </div> <div> <br> </div> <div> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br> From: peter h <peter@hk.ipsec.se><br> To: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:27 am<br> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Can they really demand on customer data?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_d185af73-f676-4d8e-a842-8b4d902b0906" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>On Thursday 02 February 2012 19.38, Lu Heng wrote: > Hi colleagues: > > I have notice an interesting part of the DCMA claim, most them looks > like "Nike also demands that you provide the names, postal addresses, > e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of the registrants of XXX". > But the important thing is, doesn't that conflict with privacy laws, > can they really demand private data without court order? How do you > think about it? There is no need for you to answer at all. If they have valid legal claims they will come back with proper authority. And as this does not seem to be an abuse-issue it's not you call. ( remember that everything received by email might have been lost in transport :-), unless you answer there is nothing that can prove that you received it. ( of course you MUS does not return message notifications, but that is moot anyway since it does not prove that you actually got the mail) Just relay and ignore. Reacting abuse issues is another issue. The must be dealth with swift and with result. Termination is an effective way of dealing with abuse. > -- Peter Håkanson There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it again ... and again ... and again ... and again. ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. ) </tt></pre> </div>  </div> </font></font>