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<div>I originally had the same queries, but not anymore.</div>
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<div>If an abuse contact becomes standardized and mandatory then it will be easier to consistently contact the correct contact in organizations that take abuse seriously. </div>
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<div>Unfortunately not all operators take abuse seriously, but that us not going to change anytime soon ( the presentation on reputation at RIPE 61 makes for an interesting read and possible way forward)</div>
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<div>While it would be wonderful if ALL operators took abuse seriously it is futile for the purposes of this proposal.</div>
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<div>Maybe there is an opportunity for this WG to work on operator education, though I am unsure as to the correct protocols and procedures for same</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<div>Michele<br>
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Mr. Michele Neylon
<div>Blacknight</div>
<div><a href="http://Blacknight.tel">http://Blacknight.tel</a></div>
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<div>Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity</div>
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On 17 Nov 2010, at 13:59, "Vissers, Pepijn" <<a href="mailto:P.Vissers@opta.nl">P.Vissers@opta.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Dear list,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">On behalf of the Team Internetsafety of the Dutch Telecommunications Authority OPTA, I would like to comment on the draft proposal 2010-08. The Team Internetsafety conducts spam- and malware investigations related
to the Netherlands. Almost all of these investigations have components which require us to use RIPE (or other RIRs) for several pieces of information, most commonly valid abuse contacts for a netblock or ASN.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">We strongly support the mandatory addition of an abuse-mailbox: field in the irt object. However, we see several loopholes in the current contents of the proposal.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">1. There is no mention in the policy about the validity of an abuse-mailbox: entry
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">2. There is no mention in the policy about the responsiveness of an abuse-mailbox: entry
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">3. There is (logically) no mention in the policy about a periodic check on (1) and (2)
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">4. There is no mitigating procedure in case of false/missing/invalid/... abuse-mailbox: information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Ad 1: What will stop a RIPE member from entering an invalid e-mail address? If the purpose of the policy is to �solve the problem of finding the right abuse contact�, some additional procedure should be in place to
make sure mail to the mentioned abuse-mailbox: does actually arrive somewhere and does not bounce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Ad 2: A valid e-mail address is no guarantee that abuse mail is being handled or even looked at. Although we recognize it might not be the responsibility of RIPE to ensure a maintainer has a proper abuse policy mechanism
in place, we�d encourage some additional reflection on this issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Ad 3: Requiring a field update with each object update is a good idea, however with largely static objects it might be a good idea to periodically check at least (1) and preferably (2).
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Ad 4: If a member (systematically) does not adhere to the mandatory policy, some kind of procedure should be in place to motivate the member to follow procedure. Without 'repercussions', a 'mandatory' policy becomes
just mandatory in name, not in function.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Pepijn Vissers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Team Internetsafety<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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