<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:20090304154637.GU17125@xs4all.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:44:28PM +0100, Jørgen Hovland wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">From many previous discussions I have a hard time believing that you will ever reach consensus on the definition of what spam is. Trying to ban it </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Definition, yes. UBE is usually easier to define and is practically equivalent to spam. But pretty much everyone recognizes a spam if they see one. It is therefore easy for a human to detect spam and take corrective action against a spammer or spamming host. </pre> </blockquote> Thats where I believe you are not entirely correct. UBE is permitted in my country (not all types of course, greasy ones etc). Yes, it is usually what you/I define as spam. However, some customers still want it (I sometimes monitor whitelists in order to correct blacklists). Who are we to override the end-users decisions? Only the government should do that, and sometimes even they shouldn't. <blockquote cite="mid:20090304154637.GU17125@xs4all.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""></pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">With regards to a valid contact email address, not valid abuse emailaddress, I still believe that it should be optional. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> What should be optional? The abuse address? The contact address? The validity? I think it's very reasonable to require all netblocks to have a valid contact email address. </pre> </blockquote> Any email address. Yes it is reasonable, but I still think it should be optional. Thats also what we decided last time the topic was brought up. Perhaps people have changed their opinion now. I was actually amazed that the suggestion to make it mandatory was rejected. <blockquote cite="mid:20090304154637.GU17125@xs4all.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">(PS- Jørgen: your mail server rejected my direct message to you. You may want to fix that) </pre> </blockquote> It gets fixed by the system when I send you this email. I get ~8000 spam daily. I have to be a little strict :-) Cheers, </body> </html>