[anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023

Hi Brian,

In the past, we have already communicated with this particular LEA and
offered training to help resolve the situation. Unfortunately, there was no
follow up. But we monitor developments on this matter closely and will
reach out to them again if necessary.


* Kind regards,*
*Theodoros FyllaridisLegal CounselRIPE NCC*

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 at 10:13, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:

> Thank you for coming back.
>
> It's a pity we don't know, but I do wonder, given the outlier level of
> French LEA interaction over two years, if it's worth trying to find out?
>
> Brian
>
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> *From:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Theodoros Fyllaridis <tfyllaridis at ripe.net>
> *Sent:* Friday 12 April 2024 10:33
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> *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> Regarding Brian’s initial question, we do not know what is driving this
> volume of requests; we have explained our processes and our available data
> to this particular LEA multiple times.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Theodoros Fyllaridis
> Legal Counsel
> RIPE NCC
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 02:11, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I was expecting something like this for a long, long time, to be honest.
> What you now have is something created for want of that mythical beast, the
> internet police, which nobody ever seems to be.
>
> --srs
> ------------------------------
> *From:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Alex
> de Joode <adejoode at idgara.nl>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2024 12:32:24 AM
> *To:* Serge Droz <serge.droz at first.org>
> *Cc:* anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
>
> ​The EU is working on implementing the e-Evidence directive.
>
> This means any-and-all EU based LEO's can request data from RIPE NCC and
> RIPE NCC needs to supply the data if it has the data available. No 'let us
> check' no 'you can have this via our website' answers possible anymore.
> This will most likely be extended for signatories of the 'Budapest
> convention', the US is very eager to have access to this data also. (There
> is the public data, but to know who pays for a resource is of course easier
> to check as the banks know a lot more about their clients than RIPE).
>
>
> https://commission.europa.eu/law/cross-border-cases/judicial-cooperation/types-judicial-cooperation/e-evidence-cross-border-access-electronic-evidence_en
> ​--
> IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex at idgara.nl | +31651108221
>
> On Wed, 10-04-2024 19h 28min, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <
> anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy
>
> Agreed and I'm not saying we should just hand everything over on a gold
> plate to LE. Bien we cannot just say no all the time, but should actually
> come up with solutions we feel are good or a good compromise.
>
> I expect LE to understand our issues, but we should understand theirs
>
> Best
> Serge
>
>
> On 10 April 2024 16:25:26 UTC, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
>
> In a recent talk Jane Easterly said: "The private sector has promised
> better security for yeas but has not delivered. This has to change".
>
>
> was this not in the context of software and platform safety?  easterly
> has been riding that hobby horse for a few years, and with serious
> justification.
>
> but i agree that the RIRs could be clearer in what they can and can not
> do for LE.  and there needs to be a balance of visibility and privacy.
> LE is always gonna want more; that's their job, and we need them.  but,
> as jeff schiller said (in the ietf protocol design context) "Law
> enforcement was not supposed to be easy.  Where it is easy, it's called
> a police state."
>
> randy
>
> --
> Dr. Serge Droz
> Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams
> https://first.org
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