[anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023

Dear colleagues,

Regarding Brian’s initial question, we do not know what is driving this
volume of requests; we have explained our processes and our available data
to this particular LEA multiple times.

Kind regards,

Theodoros Fyllaridis
Legal Counsel
RIPE NCC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 02:11, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was expecting something like this for a long, long time, to be honest.
> What you now have is something created for want of that mythical beast, the
> internet police, which nobody ever seems to be.
>
> --srs
> ------------------------------
> *From:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Alex
> de Joode <adejoode at idgara.nl>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2024 12:32:24 AM
> *To:* Serge Droz <serge.droz at first.org>
> *Cc:* anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
>
> ​The EU is working on implementing the e-Evidence directive.
>
> This means any-and-all EU based LEO's can request data from RIPE NCC and
> RIPE NCC needs to supply the data if it has the data available. No 'let us
> check' no 'you can have this via our website' answers possible anymore.
> This will most likely be extended for signatories of the 'Budapest
> convention', the US is very eager to have access to this data also. (There
> is the public data, but to know who pays for a resource is of course easier
> to check as the banks know a lot more about their clients than RIPE).
>
>
> https://commission.europa.eu/law/cross-border-cases/judicial-cooperation/types-judicial-cooperation/e-evidence-cross-border-access-electronic-evidence_en
> ​--
> IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex at idgara.nl | +31651108221
>
> On Wed, 10-04-2024 19h 28min, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <
> anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy
>
> Agreed and I'm not saying we should just hand everything over on a gold
> plate to LE. Bien we cannot just say no all the time, but should actually
> come up with solutions we feel are good or a good compromise.
>
> I expect LE to understand our issues, but we should understand theirs
>
> Best
> Serge
>
>
> On 10 April 2024 16:25:26 UTC, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
>
> In a recent talk Jane Easterly said: "The private sector has promised
> better security for yeas but has not delivered. This has to change".
>
>
> was this not in the context of software and platform safety?  easterly
> has been riding that hobby horse for a few years, and with serious
> justification.
>
> but i agree that the RIRs could be clearer in what they can and can not
> do for LE.  and there needs to be a balance of visibility and privacy.
> LE is always gonna want more; that's their job, and we need them.  but,
> as jeff schiller said (in the ietf protocol design context) "Law
> enforcement was not supposed to be easy.  Where it is easy, it's called
> a police state."
>
> randy
>
> --
> Dr. Serge Droz
> Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams
> https://first.org
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