[anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

Hi,
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg wrote:

> Jeroen
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> RIPE policy is not decided by a vote or astro-turfing.


Exactly, new policies can in fact be blocked by 2 or 3 individuals. Even 
with bogus arguments.

And there is a certain group of people that always ensures that, if the 
status quo is somehow at stake.

The astro-turfing argument is the most bogus argument i've seen over the 
years in these lists.

The policy process is expected/defined to be inclusive, but when someone 
talks about some possible changes in other communities, and new people do 
really come to this community to voice their opinion, then those 
newcomers that support policy changes are labelled as "astro-turfers", 
just because they don't share the views of the dominant "policy-making" 
group.



> Also what you are proposing is over simplistic and would be impossible to operationalise without bankrupting the NCC.

That script is getting older and older.

After the astro-turfing bit, then it comes the NCC's "armageddon" 
argument....... Boring.


Cheers,
Carlos



> What is "abusive traffic"?
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> Who decides what is or is not "abusive"?
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> Who is going to enforce this?
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> How?
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> Bear in mind that RIPE does not have the power to fine a member, so that would have to change. And I can't imagine RIPE's Board or management would want to be put in that position. I know that most of the members wouldn't want RIPE to have that kind of power.
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> Now if you want to run your own network and impose those kind of sanctions on your own users you are free to do so.
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> Also if you want to effect change then you should do research into why things are the way they are now and who you are dealing with and where they are coming from.
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> Regards
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> Michele
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