[anti-abuse-wg] Proposal: Publish effective users' abuse-c

Hi Alessandro

Do you realise that abuse-c works hierarchically? The resource holder
is required to have an abuse-c in their ORGANISATION object as a
default. It was agreed by the community a few years ago to allow
additional abuse-c attributes in the resource objects. So if an end
user wants to receive abuse reports for their network the resource
holder can add an additional abuse-c attribute into the assignment
object (which is usually maintained by the resource holder). The abuse
ROLE object can be maintained by the end user so they can set their
own abuse email address. A query will only return the closest abuse
email address to any given IP address. So for any address in the end
user's range it will return their abuse email.

cheers
denis
co-chair DB-WG

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 at 13:37, Alessandro Vesely <vesely at tana.it> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> we all know abuse-c data is to be filled by the IP assignee, which I call ISP
> in the following.
>
> I understand that, since ISPs own IP space it is their job to ensure that it
> isn't abused.  If they give up the receiving of abuse complaints and give it to
> their customer instead, and they don't receive the complaints as a result, then
> they won't be aware if their customer is violating important policies.
>
> However, it is the ISPs' customers who are the effective users of those IPs.
> Any complaint, whether reporting spam or botnet activity, can probably be
> handled more effectively by the people who run the systems connected to a given
> IP than the actual owner.
>
> I propose that RIPE accepts abuse-c email addresses from verified effective
> users of a range of IP numbers, stores them in the database, and serves them in
> RDAP/ WHOIS queries besides the abuse-c addresses provided by the ISP.  Various
> automated methods can be adopted to allow an effective user to be verified; for
> example publishing an HTTP URL or a DNS entry.  Abuse contacts added that way
> can expire after a few months, forcing the effective user to renew them, so as
> to avoid stale entries.
>
> I'm unsure if the above requires proposing a new policy or what else.  For the
> time being, it would be interesting to gauge if this WG likes the idea and if
> there are effective users, apart from me, who would be interested in publishing
> their abuse-c.
>
>
> Best
> Ale
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