[anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

There are plenty of blacklists and there is no need to "support" just
those two.

So i totally agree that the RIPE should expand the list or remove it

Am 03.03.21 um 12:31 schrieb Nuno Vieira via anti-abuse-wg:
> Hi.
>
> Let me disagree on this misconcept of "endorsement" or "reference" or
> "reporting".
>
> There are **plenty** blacklists out there.
>
> RIPE reports specifically UCEPROTECT and SPAMHAUS.
>
> This kind of usage and reference by RIPE empirically
> supports/endorses/make those as a reference. (or a troll feeded)
>
> If ripe community dont feel it that way then, imo they should either:
>
> a) add more blacklists checks and not only those (in order to avoid
> discrimination to other blacklist operators)
>
> or
>
> b) remove blacklist reports at all, so it keeps a neutral position on
> this.
>
> btw, how many of you already got fresh allocations from RIPE that were
> blacklisted from some of those, and had challenges to start using those
> and/or get them scrubbed raise the hand.
>
> cheers
> /nuno
>
>
> On Wed, 2021-03-03 at 12:16 +0100, Gert Doering wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 11:57:13AM +0100, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>> This indeed puts the uceprotect in a different category in my
>>> books.
>>> Please forget what I wrote earlier in this chain.
>> I do have my own opinion about uceprotect (and it's not favourable),
>> but
>> we do not need to actually discuss "do we as community like their
>> service
>> or not" or "do we endorse it or not".
>>
>> The RIPE-Stats-Plugin provides *reporting*, and if someone's IP space
>> ends
>> up on a blacklist that is actually used by people, it is useful
>> information
>> to be told about it.  
>>
>> This is why uceprotect is listed there, not because "RIPE endorses
>> it".
>>
>> Gert Doering
>>         -- NetMaster
>
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