[anti-abuse-wg] Report & Co-Chair's Decision on Proposal 2019-04

Hi,

I would like to second Piotr's comment. Thank you for your hard work, and 
for not quitting over anti-abuse.

As i read it consensus was not reached, and it's hard to dispute the 
objections are not valid/admissible:

"
1) Nick Hilliard and Erik Bais commented that the effort and cost to 
implement this proposal are too great in relations to the benefits that 
are alleged.

2) Michele Neylon and Arash Naderpour commented that they oppose forcing 
operators to use only email for
handling abuse reports and internal handling procedures should be solely 
defined by the operator.
"

I just want to note that: 
A) it's very hard to measure the benefits. some parties would see bigger 
benefits than others.
B) converging abuse reports to email usage is a rule that is inexistent 
*today*. people which are not worried about abuse, will likely want to 
keep it that way... as a webform is an effective way of discouraging 
reports.


At some point, people which discard abuse reports (or people which 
simulate handling abuse reports) will not be able to run networks. 
We're far from it, but if it gets to that point that will not be reached 
through consensus, but probably through regulation.


Regards,
Carlos




On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Piotr Strzyzewski via anti-abuse-wg wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 03:19:27PM +0000, Brian Nisbet wrote:
>
> Brian, Alireza, Tobias,
>
>> A few weeks ago we reached the end of the latest review phase for 2019-04. The Co-Chairs have worked closely with the NCC Policy Development Office since then to try to make a decision on this policy. This email contains a report on the Discussion Phase and Review Phase and then a final decision which, we believe, is supported by the activity during those phases.
>>
>> As always, this is underpinned by the RIPE PDP - https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710
>
> [cut]
>
>> With all of this in mind, and with the continued failure of any kind of consensus from the working group, the Co-Chairs have decided to withdraw this proposal. As always we would welcome proposals on this and other matters, however we do not feel that there is any likelihood of 2019-04, regardless of possible edits, reaching consensus in the short or medium term.
>
> Thank you for all your hard work here. It was not an easy task to
> fulfill. With this is mind, it is even more important that you have made
> this report. Thank you.
>
> Stay safe,
> Piotr
>
> -- 
> Piotr Strzy?ewski
>