[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Hi Sergey,

El 8/5/20 16:28, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Sergey Myasoedov via anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> escribió:

    Dear Jordi,

    > There are existing procedures for that in extreme cases.

    I think it's now obvious that existing procedures does not work.

[Jordi] I don't think so, however if that's the case, it is transversal to all the policies, not just one. It will not make sense to me to address it only for abuse cases, and not for other policy violations.


    --
    Sergey


    Friday, May 8, 2020, 1:20:45 PM, you wrote:

    JPMvaaw> However, I fully understand that the community prefer to do things in different steps.

    JPMvaaw> We initially asked for the abuse mailbox.

    JPMvaaw> Then we added a technical validation.

    JPMvaaw> Now I'm asking for a better validations and make sure that
    JPMvaaw> the reporting is feasible. I'm not asking to verify if you handle the abuse case or not.

    JPMvaaw> *AND* I'm not asking to take *new* actions. There are
    JPMvaaw> existing procedures for that in extreme cases.
    JPMvaaw>  

    JPMvaaw> El 30/4/20 9:51, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Serge Droz via
    JPMvaaw> anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de
    JPMvaaw> anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> escribió:

    JPMvaaw>     I do not disagree with this.

    JPMvaaw>     Serge


    JPMvaaw>     On 30.04.20 09:41, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote:
    JPMvaaw>     > Am 30.04.20 um 02:58 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian:
    JPMvaaw>     >>
    JPMvaaw>     >> However, being in a fiduciary role - with IPv4 being traded like
    JPMvaaw>     >> currency these days the description fits - RIPE NCC can’t not get
    JPMvaaw>     >> involved.
    JPMvaaw>     >>
    JPMvaaw>     > ...
    JPMvaaw>     >> NCC owes it to the rest of its membership and the internet community
    JPMvaaw>     >> at large to take a more active role in this matter.
    JPMvaaw>     >>
    JPMvaaw>     > This.
    JPMvaaw>     > 
    JPMvaaw>     > And as long as RIPE and/or NCC explicitly does not want to take action
    JPMvaaw>     > when RIPE members don't handle abuse from their networks properly, the
    JPMvaaw>     > whole issue of validating abuse mailbox addresses is moot. After all
    JPMvaaw>     > discussion, the toothless compromise will be that there should be an
    JPMvaaw>     > abuse mailbox, and FWIW it can be handled by Dave Null because nobody
    JPMvaaw>     > will exert pressure on the resource holder to do anything else.
    JPMvaaw>     > 
    JPMvaaw>     > Our problem on the receiving side of network abuse is not with the few
    JPMvaaw>     > good-willing but technically challenged providers whose abuse mailbox
    JPMvaaw>     > isn't working properly but with those large operators who don't give a
    JPMvaaw>     > flying f about their customer's network abuse.
    JPMvaaw>     > 
    JPMvaaw>     > Personally, I consider the anti-abuse WG a failure at this point. When I
    JPMvaaw>     > joined I had hoped to see and possibly support constructive work towards
    JPMvaaw>     > a reduction in network abuse, but apparently there are big players in
    JPMvaaw>     > this game who are not interested in such a reduction as it would
    JPMvaaw>     > undermine their "business".
    JPMvaaw>     > 
    JPMvaaw>     > Cheers,
    JPMvaaw>     > Hans-Martin
    JPMvaaw>     > 

    JPMvaaw>     -- 
    JPMvaaw>     Dr. Serge Droz
    JPMvaaw>     Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
    JPMvaaw>     https://www.first.org




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