[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

I've trouble to understand why you see "sharing info or files with information of abuse records", is a legal penalty. The only "penalty" (filtering) is imposed by other folks using those files and taking their own decision.

If they are doing anything wrong against the law, Andorra is not a safe place. They used to have no transparency as a fiscal paradise, but is no longer the case since several years ago (around 6 maybe). We know it in Spain, because we caught several corrupt politicians hiding the money there.

You may be right only on the part of publishing names and pics of people, unless that information is already public ...

And last, but not least, law may be on your side (and if that's the case it needs to change), but I don't see why logs are requested to other providers and not to VPN providers. This is a clear discrimination. I'm probably missing lot of information here to judge properly.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 9/7/20 19:49, "anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de info at fos-vpn.org" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de info at fos-vpn.org> escribió:

    Sorry, but only legal entities have the right to impose penalties, not 
    privately owned companies.
    Spamhaus behaves as if they would be executive, legislative and 
    judiciary at once.
    They immunize itself against legal actions by moving their headquarters 
    outside the EU.
    Furthermore, they violate EU laws by publishing the names and even 
    photos of spammers in their ROKSO list without their consent.
    They never show any proof how they gather their information. Their SBL 
    listings don't prove anything.
    We even received SBL listings at a time when a certain prefix was 
    unannounced and we have strong evidence that a lot of their listings are 
    incorrect.
    Yes, VPN services can be used for unlawful activities such as Tor Exit 
    Nodes or public WiFi Hotspots; that lies in the nature of things. 
    However we believe that most of our customers behave behave in a 
    responsible fashion and respect the laws as well as we do.
    Over the years they have built their trust in us, because when we say we 
    don't take any user logs we don't do it.




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