[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 18:36 , <info at fos-vpn.org> wrote:

>
> Those "Escalation Listings" cause big problems and there is no
> independent board of arbitration which could bring a solution in such
> cases.
>

You already admitted you're providing services to users that don't obey
your ToS, and who are involved in abuse of internet resources. Additionally
you refuse to act on the abuse.

Those escalation listings target your service providers, as you're involved
in providing service to facilitate internet abuse. They are in turn
enabling you to provide the said service, i.e.they profit from the internet
abuse. IMHO this is perfectly valid reason for expanding the listing.

The target is to motivate you to stop the abuse. If you're willing to do
it, and would actually do it, the problem goes away.

Have you even considered ways of doing just that?

You're expecting the others to pay for the problems your clients are
causing. Not very nice.

 Blacklisting clean IPs of the companies which offer nothing
> more than just IP Transit does not primarily fulfill an informational
> purpuse for other Spamhaus users, it's sipmly a form of illegal coercion
> to force those companies to get rid of us
>

The other companies enable you to provide services that are being abused.

Nobody wants you to stop providing the VPN service. They want you to stop
the abuse coming from your systems.

The rest of the internet is not obligated to accept your traffic. They are
also not obligated to accept the traffic from your upstreams (unless there
are contracts mandating it).

So, I think you should stop whining about the listings, and fix the problem
that caused them in the first place.

esa
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