[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

Hi ángel

Thanks, good advice indeed. I second you to make your views known to the
Commission.

Best
Serge


On 09.07.20 09:16, Angel Fernandez Pineda wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to make a recommendation to all of you. The EU has opened a
> consultation on the Digital Service Act, a future regulation that aims
> to review the role of digital platforms and technoly intermediaries and
> establish regulations to protect the rights of users and companies that
> operate online wherever is required. Of course, the role of ISPs or
> organizations like RIPE NCC can be subject to asses.
> 
> The aim of the European Commission with the consultation is to identify
> situations that put at risk the safety and rights of users or the rights
> of companies to compete in a fair market.
> 
> To those of you who know that this discussion, repeated so many times in
> this WG, will not reach to anything, I would like to invite you to
> dedicate a little of your time to answering the consultation. You will
> find it at:
> 
> https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12417-Digital-Services-Act-deepening-the-Internal-Market-and-clarifying-responsibilities-for-digital-services/public-consultation
> 
> Best,
> ángel
> Grupo Godó de Comunicación
> 
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> *De:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Serge
> Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> *Enviado:* jueves, 9 de julio de 2020 8:29
> *Para:* anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> *Asunto:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers
>  
> Hi Info
> 
> Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis
> that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse.
> The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes.
> 
> You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not
> for free, you need abuse people that investigate and they cost money.
> Sadly, many of these VPNs frankly just don't care, using the lame excuse
> that they are protecting fundamental rights, when in fact they are just
> don't care or take responsibility.
> 
> I don't agree with everything Spamhaus does, but I find them responsible
> and and always found a way way to talk to them.
> 
> I was reluctant writing this, because I'm not sure this discussion will
> lead anywhere. It's one of these where opinions seem to already have
> been formed.
> 
> But you start accusing people of posting anonymously. I totally agree
> this is bad, but then, who are you, info at fos-vpn.org?
> 
> You don't seem to offer a name yourself. I find this a bit hypocritical.
> 
> Best
> Serge
> 
> 
> On 08.07.20 20:46, info at fos-vpn.org wrote:
>> All I would like from Spamhaus is to stop publishing fake SBL records in
>> order to discredit us and to use that to put pressure both upon us and
>> our upstreams.
>> Non-logging VPN services are as legal within the EU as Exit Nodes of the
>> Tor Network (which have massive abuse entries in various data bases,
>> especially the larger ones) and public WiFi Hotspots, which can be used
>> for abusive activities, too.
>> 
>> I don't know who "PP" is (probably the same person which posts under the
>> nickname "Petras Simeon" on Twitter and on various boards), but he
>> contacted us and our upstream providers without telling his name, just
>> using this email address: phishphucker at storey.ovh and sending us the
>> list of SBL entries which he also posted here.
>> Don't know if he's working for Spamhaus or not, but before attacking
>> others publicly, people should reveal their true identity, anything else
>> would be sneaky in my opinion.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Serge Droz
> Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
> https://www.first.org
> 

-- 
Dr. Serge Droz
Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
https://www.first.org