[anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

In my opinion, the actual situation is the worst. We are validating over "nothing". We don't know how many of the "validated" mailboxes are real, or even read, full, etc.

I will prefer a mandatory abuse-c which is validated in the way I'm proposing, as it is being done in ARIN and APNIC and soon in LACNIC.

If this can't reach consensus, I prefer to know in advance "this operator doesn't handle abuses" that wasting time in reporting them. I will have the choice to just block their network and when several folks block them and their customers complain, then they may change their mind.

Better 50% of good and *real* validated abuse contacts than 100% from which I don't know how may are for real.
 

El 15/1/20 8:24, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> escribió:

    
    Hi,
    
    I obviously don't speak for the incident handling community, but i think 
    this (making it optional) would be a serious step back. The current 
    situation is already very bad when in some cases we know from the start 
    that we are sending (automated) messages/notices to blackholes.
    
    To an extreme, there should always be a known contact responsible for 
    any network infrastructure. If this is not the case, what's the purpose 
    of a registry then?
    
    Regards,
    Carlos
    
    
    
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2020, Leo Vegoda wrote:
    
    > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:48 AM Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
    >
    > [...]
    >
    >> A much simpler approach would be to make abuse-c: an optional attribute
    >> (basically, unrolling the "mandatory" part of the policy proposal that
    >> introduced it in the first place)
    >
    > This seems like a simple approach for letting network operators
    > indicate whether or not they will act on abuse reports. If there's no
    > way of reporting abuse then the operators clearly has no processes for
    > evaluating reports, or acting on them. This helps everyone save time.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Leo Vegoda
    >
    
    



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