[anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, Gert Doering wrote:

> Hi,

Hi,
(please see inline)


> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 07:23:38AM +0000, Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
>> I obviously don't speak for the incident handling community, but i think
>> this (making it optional) would be a serious step back. The current
>> situation is already very bad when in some cases we know from the start
>> that we are sending (automated) messages/notices to blackholes.
>
> So why is it preferrable to send mails which are not acted on, as
> opposed to "not send mail because you know beforehand that the other
> network is not interested"?

I think Serge already took care of that answer/issue :-)

And in our case we do count the # of bounces we get resulting from the 
abuse complaints we send out.


> I can see that it is frustrating - but I still cannot support a policy
> change which will not help dealing with irresponsible networks in any
> way, but at the same time increases costs and workload for those that
> do the right thing alrady.

I guess you are not convinced with the 10 min/year argument then :-(


>> To an extreme, there should always be a known contact responsible for
>> any network infrastructure. If this is not the case, what's the purpose
>> of a registry then?
>
> "a known contact" and "an *abuse-handling* contact" is not the same thing.

I don't really like the case where "a known contact" is used as a last 
resort contact because there is an abuse issue. Hence, the value i see on 
a mandatory definition of an abuse contact -- while any network can still 
decide to use the same contact for both (or more) purposes.


Cheers,
Carlos



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