[anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Hi Ronald,


El 14/1/20 0:17, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Ronald F. Guilmette" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de rfg at tristatelogic.com> escribió:

    In message <55D65BF8-A430-4BDC-AE58-63FF3DCA4DEC at consulintel.es>, 
    JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
    
    >    Section 2.0 bullet point #2.  What's wrong with web forms?
    >
    >If I need to use a web form, which is not standard, for every abuse report...
    
    OHHHHHHHHHHH!  Your proposal did not make it at all clear that the
    web forms you were making reference to were ones that the resource
    holder might put in place in order to provide a way for abuse 
    victims to file a report.
    
    I agree completely that those things are intolerable, and I will go
    further and say that any resoirce holder who puts such a form online
    should properly be consigned to the fifth ring of hell.
    
    Sorry!  I had misconstrued.  When your proposal mentioned web forms
    I had assumed that you were making reference to some form that the
    RIPE NCC might put online and that the resources holders would need
    to type something into (e.g. a unique magic cookei) in order to
    fully confirm that they are in fact receiving emails to their
    documented abuse reporting email addresses.

No worries. I will tidy up the text to make it clearer! Thanks!
    
    I think that the verification email messages that RIPE NCC sends out
    resource holders should indeed contain a link to web form, on the RIPE
    web site, where the recipient resource holder should be required to
    make at least some minimal demonstration that it has at least one
    actual conscious and sentient human being looking at the inbound
    emails that are sent to its abuse address.
    
    Please clarify in your proposal what exactly your use of the term
    "web form" was intended to convey.  TYhank you.
    
    >    Section 3.0 part 3.  Why on earth should it take 15 days for
    >    anyone to respond to an email??  Things on the Internet happen
    >    in millseconds.  If a provider is unable to respond to an issue
    >    within 72 hours then they might as well be dead, because they
    >    have abandoned all social responsibility.
    >
    >I fully agree! My original proposal was only 3 working days, but the
    >community told me "no way". This was the same input I got in APNIC
    >and LACNIC (in both regions it reached consensus with 15 days).
    >
    >So, I will keep 15 days ...
    
    I think this is provable, and also transparently obvious and colossal
    bullshit, but that's just my opinion.

And mine!, but as a proposal author, I need to try to match as much as possible the wishes of the community.
    
    I say again.  Things happen on the Internet in milliseconds.  Any
    service provider that can't react to an email within 72 hours should
    be removed from the Internet of Responsible Adults and relegated to
    the agricultural industry, or to the study of geology, or at any rate
    to some profession where things are calm and leisurely, perhaps
    including the delivery of regular postal mail.
    
    If anyone wants to make his fortune by being an absentee landlord,
    just gathering in revenue and not taking any day to day responsibility
    for anything, let them get into the vacation rentals business and get
    the **** off the Internet.
    
    
    Regards,
    rfg
    
    



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