[anti-abuse-wg] IPv4 squatting -- Courtesy of AS44050, AS58552

I'd like to second Serge's sentiment, RFG catches a good deal of abuse for
his contributions, which we have all seen on this and other lists. What the
continued findings indicate is a need for IANA and the RIRs to adapt to a
new stage in the resource issuance and governance lifecycle. Since this is
by definition a working group, would it make sense to establish some
metrics to quantify the perceived impact of this phenomenon on abuse?

If we establish a process to collect these observations of either
"abandoned" resources, prefixes or ASNs, which then re-appear mysteriously
or in the case of an ASN start routing space that is unexpectedly,
"hijack", we can take a step as a community to quantify the phenomenon?

Note: This is specifically not an internet policing function as much as a
neighborhood watch effort to help inform the governing bodies / policy ...
etc. Right now from responses it seems like defacto this weight has been
put onto the shoulder of Spamhaus vs. having a working group work on a
solution.

If this is of interest I'm happy to write up a proposal and or work with
the chairs to see if this is something that is seen as constructive. Also
if this doesn't fit into the anti-abuse working group ... where does it fit?


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:12 AM Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <
anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:

> First of: Congrats and thank you Ronald for this work.
>
> What makes me a bit sad is, that posting this here immediately starts a
> discussion about what is expected behavior on these lists, rather than
> how we could combat abuse more efficiently.
>
> It seems a seeminglu, to me at least, humorous remark, sparks more
> discussion than the troubling fact that criminals have the time of their
> lives during this period of time.
>
> I'm all in favor of staying civil on public fora. But noting in the
> original post was not civil. I am wondering what the we want to achieve
> here on the anti-abuse list? Call me stupid, but I just don't get it.
>
> Best
> Serge
>
>
> On 01.12.20 22:48, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> > In message
> <DB7PR06MB501791137C12E71EA525C7DD94F40 at DB7PR06MB5017.eurprd06.prod.
> > outlook.com>, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
> >
> >> However I suspect that X-posting to a list like apnic-talk may not be
> the
> >> wisest idea, given the different populations etc...
> >
> > It is among my fondest hopes that cybercriminals of all stripes, and
> > particularly the ones who squat on IPv4 space that doesn't belong to
> > them, will, in future, show more respect for regional boundaries, such
> > that their devious activities will only oblige me to notify the
> > members of a single one of the five RIR regions regarding any single
> > one of these elaborate criminal schemes.  Alas, in this instance
> > however, the perpetrators, in a very unsportsmanlike manner, elected
> > to make messes whose roots were found in both the RIPE region and also
> > in the APNIC region.  (And that's not even to mention that most of the
> > squatted IPv4 real estate was and is under the administration of the
> > ARIN region.)
> >
> > Clearly, authorities in all five regions should be devoting somewhat
> > more effort towards the cultivation of a better and more respectful
> > class of cybercriminals who will confine their convoluted schemes to
> > their own home regions.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > rfg
> >
>
> --
> Dr. Serge Droz
> Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
> https://www.first.org
>
>
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