[anti-abuse-wg] Fw: Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

Hello Everyone,

Brian the co-chair is trying to censor me and sending me threats privately.

Brian sent me this message privately:

"Let me be perfectly clear. I have asked you to stop posting about Spamhaus and others in this fashion. If you post anything in the same vein you will be placed into moderation and any posts to the list will have to be oked by one of the Co-Chairs and may or may not be released to the list."


And this is my response to Brian:

You are hurting my free speech, all I am writing is the truth in a polite way.

Even if you are receiving pressure from "The Spamhaus Project" members to have me off the list (because they are cowards and cannot handle me on the list), I'm asking from you not to surrender to them.

To remind to you, months ago you've let Ronald Guilmette to defame me in your list and without any proof against me, he attacked me personally back than like he continued to do in the last few days (with the help of other members of "The Spamhaus Project"), on 23rd of January 2020 I asked you politely to remove the initial post of Ronald Guilmette initial post of lies that targeted me intentionally (only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" and their illegal ways of operations against many businesses worldwide are disturbing me) and your answer to me and to the Ripe Management & Board - was in completely opposite to what you are writing now.

Here is your past answer regarding doing nothing to Ronald Guilmette post of lies when he attacked me personally:

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Elad,

We realise you might not be fully aware of what the purpose of the RIPE community is, how the RIPE community mailing lists work, what our role as the chairs of one of the RIPE community working groups is, and when we are supposed to intervene in the discussions taking place in the relevant mailing list.

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the working group chairs have the authority to intervene in case of disruptive behaviour by an individual. In this case, we may direct the relevant individual to cease that type of behaviour and/or moderate or ban them from that mailing list if we decide this is necessary.

Examples of cases where such intervention would be deemed necessary are when someone is spamming the relevant mailing list, is sending marketing or promotional activities, is making threats against another community member, ad hominem attacks, is intimidating others, etc.

Regarding the post you refer to, we are not aware if its content is true or not and we have no means to determine that. Removing it without any substantiated evidence that it is illegal would disturb the mailing list's operations and create a precedent we are not willing to create at the moment.

Feel free to engage directly with the author of the post and seek an amicable solution with them.

For and on behalf of the Anti-Abuse Working Group Co-Chairs,

Alizrea, Brian & Tobias


Brian Nisbet
Service Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
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To the Spamhaus members that are trying to get me off the list: they can be sure they if they will succeed in getting me off the list, I will open instagram and facebook and twitter and so on accounts and I'll put there the full list of all "The Spamhaus Project" members, what will they do ? contact each and every site online to shut me up ?

Respectfully,
Elad

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From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:52 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
Cc: aa-wg-chair at ripe.net <aa-wg-chair at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

Elad,

Let me be perfectly clear. I have asked you to stop posting about Spamhaus and others in this fashion. If you post anything in the same vein you will be placed into moderation and any posts to the list will have to be oked by one of the Co-Chairs and may or may not be released to the list.

Thank you,

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet
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From: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
Sent: Monday 20 April 2020 14:00
To: Arash Naderpour; Brian Nisbet
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Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

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Thank you Arash.

Brian, that is no my opinion, I only provided a link to a private presentation that "The Spamhaus Project" wrote on themselves and showed it in a private event - and in it they are saying on themselves that they gain massive amount of illegaly obtained privacy data from many internet organizations and internet companies - and then they say on themselves that they share it with Law Enforcement Agencies without any warrant (meaning in illegal way), please don't distort the facts like "The Spamhaus Project" are doing using their secret contacts inside many internet organizations such as Ripe (like Richard D G Cox was, a Co-chair of the same working group that you are a Co-chair of it now).

Here is the link to the presentation that Richard D G Cox wrote (another past Co-chair of this working group), that Brian consider to be "my opinion" on "The Spamhaus Project":

https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310208613&sdata=1kYKSvxrtPauosA%2Fx4KuL2XipCMz4KHWVXT2xRwO0cU%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cb137988aa06c466e60dd08d7e53d9700%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229925028288510&sdata=FF7VRH4I6d4%2BWQxWAnHjWCPjlOAVKaEnuz8pt9PuWoY%3D&reserved=0>>

Respectfully,
Elad
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From: Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:30 PM
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Cc: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>; anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

I appreciate if no one including the Co-chairs speaks on behalf of "everyone" in the list. in my opinion is it very unlikely that "everyone" has the same opinion in a public mailing list which is totally fine.

Best regards,

Arash

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:41 PM Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie<mailto:brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>> wrote:
Elad,

Let me be very clear here, we will not be discussing this during the meeting in May.

Repeated assertions do not make a thing true and at this point everyone is very clear on your opinion of Spamhaus. I will ask you directly to cease these kinds of emails to the list. This is the last time I hope I have to say this.

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet
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Sent: Monday 20 April 2020 10:11
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Subject: Re: Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

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Hello Brian,

I have a matter that I would like to raise:

The anti-abuse illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" and how it is damaging and hurting many businesses worldwide, how the contacts of that illegal anonymous organizations are part of the anti-abuse community (including in this working group like Richard D G Cox was) and how they are violating global privacy laws with the support of LEA's - all of it in illegal way according to the LEA's countries and according to the following presentation of "The Spamhaus Project":

https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310218606&sdata=jOxhbBdDVmc9GVzc8UCigNSF0u5QIG21HLVE3Kn9pqU%3D&reserved=0><https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=FRYOtS2YOdR7mbCRzPZY6XIyYhhUi1UAJ2BWWmiTwOc%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310228599&sdata=Vi%2FmS7eot36rW%2FdgIy6ZbQURcOtLQXDwqVyXWuwL78Q%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cb137988aa06c466e60dd08d7e53d9700%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229925028298497&sdata=6uci%2Fbi9O9Uws4QBg%2FDnEU6v1GPc4kQcXuTIpGs5SFY%3D&reserved=0>>>

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Besides it, there is another matter of "The Spamhaus Project" not being regulated and supervised by any country/government/LEA - in this way members of "The Spamhaus Project" can abuse it for their own benefits, for example the criminal which is the owner of the twitter account https://twitter.com/underthebreach<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310228599&sdata=Aql5r%2B1trqy9dW25A773%2BFN3iWsVje8O2FJVvlMmvKs%3D&reserved=0><https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=8ulNyrx0SdD0zO0Qq4nDHvEA5d8Aqi2%2FHyKd3hF3tG8%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310238592&sdata=AnuJdYL9ec2VQXKPDBTNcKParG42cCOyWl%2F9bexgLqU%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cb137988aa06c466e60dd08d7e53d9700%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229925028298497&sdata=w063zinEBsjtrLhDc386EGk9SjMo%2BTzWn1NcfRVDIL4%3D&reserved=0>>> and is part of "The Spamhaus Project", for example Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise (https://wordtothewise.com/<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310238592&sdata=dlWPKhzs8mcOzLp0%2Frn1mcZpm6WuALgCF3DpmZRZISE%3D&reserved=0><https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021500188&sdata=ZdxcdA1R6A4VoDdTSs0L6RU6AmK%2B5qyh9LFypvv8dck%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C1ad589bd39644818ae8808d7e52acb92%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C1%7C637229844310248587&sdata=y60uAwqoBHnfwGxlM3DzR5NLfY7OPeMU8BzrsFPYM5M%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cb137988aa06c466e60dd08d7e53d9700%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229925028308489&sdata=22jdqghp64rh0dhhN0Y7zknpf6g7Fq76BV0iNJh0vEA%3D&reserved=0>>>) which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service, for example members of "The Spamhaus Project" which are working in email delivery companies and "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking their competitors.

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Another matter that I would like to raise is the use of profiling in the anti-abuse community including in "The Spamhaus Project", profiling is being used by dumb people that don't know how to their work otherwise, it is the "easy" (and to my opinion - highly illegal) way. The anti-abuse community should raise its voice against any kind of profiling being done by the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".

Respectfully,
Elad

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From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie<mailto:brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>>
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To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>>
Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80

Colleagues,

As you are all no doubt aware RIPE 80 will be an online only meeting.

This is a new departure for us all, but significant preparation has already been done and I'm really looking forward to a great event.

The Anti-Abuse WG has a slot from 10:00 - 10:45 CEST on Thursday 14th May. If you have any matters you'd like to raise, please let me know as soon as possible.

And remember, you need to register for RIPE 80. You can do so, free of charge, here:

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Thanks,

Brian

Brian Nisbet
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HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
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