[anti-abuse-wg] My response to Ronald Guilmette

Elad,

A tit-for-tat conversation will not help anyone here and you have levelled accusations at a large number of people.

I am asking you and everyone else involved to cease this conversation on the mailing list, it really is as simple as that. What you discuss with Töma or others elsewhere is up to you.

You have all said your pieces, you won't convince each other or anyone else at this point.

Please stop or we will have to look at moderating posts from people or on topics.

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet
Service Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
+35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie
Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270

________________________________________
From: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
Sent: Saturday 18 April 2020 13:24
To: Brian Nisbet; Töma Gavrichenkov; Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] My response to Ronald Guilmette

CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.


Brian,

Toma wrote lies about me, he wrote: "who used to obtain IP prefixes in a direct violation of the process" - I have the right to respond, I'm being defamed in your working group only because I found out who are the real people behind the "The Spamhaus Project", and the defamation of me which is taking part for many months including antisemitic phrases - seems not to bother you.

Can Toma write facts and data for me and for the community ?

Not to rely on fake media reports with that criminal as a source for the media reports: https://twitter.com/underthebreach

Not to try to maneuver the community with "opinions" and foggy sentences, can Toma write facts and data that he is basing upon in his cyber influence sentence: "in a direct violation of the process" ?

Respectfully,
Elad
________________________________
From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:17 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>; Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera at gmail.com>; Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] My response to Ronald Guilmette

Elad,

I would take this mail as another example of unacceptable behaviour for this mailing list.

Again, I would ask you to cease making such statements and the ad hominem attacks.

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet
Service Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
+35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heanet.ie%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C62a6f50f062f42d8e05108d7e3937d4f%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228094911554938&sdata=sywgw%2FFD%2FE7iRQ30Pwl9CqxqsSu1SS%2BmnM6srZxFwvI%3D&reserved=0>
Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270


________________________________________
From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
Sent: Saturday 18 April 2020 12:56
To: Töma Gavrichenkov; Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] My response to Ronald Guilmette

CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.


Hello Everyone,

Like I wrote to the community:

"(P.S.: you can recognize now any member of "The Spamhaus Project" that will jump now, if he will attack me or support Ron, you can just ask him a simple question - "show us a single proof" - and you will see that no proof will be displayed, because all of it is part of an illegal "cyber influence operation" by "The Spamhaus Project" pumped by the criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Ce8b6d4b769cd4ab7416108d7e3918a82%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228086555440602&sdata=A1ScwDAgyeGv4Y%2BE1QuvZGxPODZU%2FVWLYaOK4wx5qbI%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C62a6f50f062f42d8e05108d7e3937d4f%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228094911564932&sdata=16h9cFPG1Ku9QrxjSCRKHkAUdWboPbiw%2Be4vYDcF7yg%3D&reserved=0>>)"

And indeed the donkeys jumped.

Regarding Suresh, he took an active role in the event where the illegal presentation linked below was presented, you can see his details here:

https://imgur.com/TuDUt77<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FTuDUt77&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Ce8b6d4b769cd4ab7416108d7e3918a82%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228086555445595&sdata=L%2BhAPtstJGAhGkGwbxTgI1fC1LIHYvxsf%2B52GL5vMGw%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FTuDUt77&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C62a6f50f062f42d8e05108d7e3937d4f%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228094911564932&sdata=Q0yMganLtfPHCbX%2FyMYRhQl%2FbYU%2Bj9FNCWs6cQSxul0%3D&reserved=0>>

https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Ce8b6d4b769cd4ab7416108d7e3918a82%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228086555450584&sdata=vwM7uFJl9DZv72TGkA%2BjoeJ%2BpnqHNPAaSrlqXCGZ33c%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C62a6f50f062f42d8e05108d7e3937d4f%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228094911564932&sdata=i5SiXylHaUBV%2F54vFYvuJxcjqI1ulaYGP%2Ba1vBSGNVM%3D&reserved=0>>

Suresh was the session moderator in the private event, and he saw that presentation in real-time, Suresh is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" an he is a criminal - he is familiar with all the privacy laws violations of "The Spamhaus Project" but still he keeps his mouth shut regarding it because it is more profitable to him to play a long with his mob friends at "The Spamhaus Project" and to play along with all the privacy laws violations that he knows of according to the two above links, instead of doing the right thing and to shout- that internet privacy is being violated at massive scale by "The Spamhaus Project" and by the LEA's that they are working with them.

Here is another private event that Suresh took part in it, an event which is related to violating privacy of internet users, you can see that below Suresh in the list below - the CTO of "The Spamhaus Project" appear, Larry Rhein.

https://imgur.com/VIi0Kmk<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FVIi0Kmk&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Ce8b6d4b769cd4ab7416108d7e3918a82%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228086555455576&sdata=OUSwOZLmVX7eZObx%2BVacZF6wPrMdGmBaFkB7IpxGE0o%3D&reserved=0<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FVIi0Kmk&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C62a6f50f062f42d8e05108d7e3937d4f%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637228094911574928&sdata=SBVzldC3FophZDsnTrmTE9B7%2FW8lBdPTldS6t0jri6A%3D&reserved=0>>


Regarding Toma, he is part of "The Spamhaus Project" as well, he wrote nothing regarding the initial posts of Coconut Guilmette and only attacking me. Tome is exactly like Hank - in order for him to receive "credit points" from the important people behind "The Spamhaus Project" for him to gain high valued connections / title / career / money - he will betray even his own country - "The Spamhaus Project" see his own country as an enemy as a whole (according to "The Spamhaus Project" presentation linked above) but that doesn't interfere to Toma to be their horn, Toma - if you have any issue regarding your country - please don't take it on me.

Regarding what you wrote - "who used to obtain IP prefixes in a direct violation of the process":
"The Spamhaus Project" proceeds, through Toma, with their illegal cyber influence operation - can you please explain to me and to the community exactly what do you mean in "direct violation of the process" ?

Or are you just a donkey that can jump ?

Respectfully,
Elad

________________________________
From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:11 AM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] My response to Ronald Guilmette

Peace,

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:43 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian
<ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> The email he sent has been positively presidential in style I must say. For a specific value of president of course.

With all due respect, I don't think this message belongs to even this
WG as well (not even speaking of the iot-wg and mat-wg).

In my opinion it is currently quite clear to everyone on the list that
we have two people here: one, who doesn't seem to understand how
e-mail works these days, and the other, who used to obtain IP prefixes
in a direct violation of the process.  Thanks for a heads-up, it was
valuable, but I quite honestly don't think we really require *any*
subsequent dialogue in this mailing list (not even speaking of the
iot-wg and mat-wg) from the two.

--
Töma