[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 Review Phase (Resource Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

Carlos

Nick and others have covered why it should be dropped in their emails to this list.

It's also pretty clear that the cost implications of this proposal far outweigh any potential benefit.

So it should just be dropped.

And your counterargument about cost is completely divorced from economic reality. 

RIPE NCC are not the routing police.

Regards

Michele

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On 09/09/2019, 15:53, "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas at fccn.pt> wrote:

    
    Hi Michele, All,
    
    Can you be more specific about which problems derive from this proposal's 
    simple existence...?
    
    About:
       "going to cost more" -- when you try to improve something, it's
       generally not cheaper, yes. but then there is "worth", which generates
       different views.
    
    (...)
    The "causes more harms" bit is mostly derived from the possibility of 
    lawsuits...?
    
    Regards,
    Carlos
    
    
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
    
    > 100% agreed
    >
    > This proposal should be dropped as it's creating more problems, going to cost more and generally causes more harms than those it was aimed to solve.
    >
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    >
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    > Mr Michele Neylon
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    > On 05/09/2019, 17:15, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Nick Hilliard" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of nick at foobar.org> wrote:
    >
    >    Marco Schmidt wrote on 05/09/2019 14:23:
    >    > The RIPE NCC has prepared an impact analysis on this latest proposal
    >    > version to support the community?s discussion. You can find the full
    >    > proposal and impact analysis at:
    >    > https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-03
    >
    >    that is as damning an impact analysis as I've ever seen, and it sends a
    >    clear signal that the proposal would not solve the root problem while
    >    simultaneously being very harmful to the RIPE NCC.
    >
    >    I'd like to suggest to the chairs that this proposal be formally
    >    dropped.  It's taken up a good deal of working group time at this point
    >    and there is an obvious lack of consensus that the proposal should be
    >    adopted as a policy.
    >
    >    Nick
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