[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Hi Nick, All,


On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, Nick Hilliard wrote:

> Marco Schmidt wrote on 01/10/2019 13:18:
>> As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this 
>> four-week Discussion Phase is to discuss the proposal and provide feedback 
>> to the proposer.
>
> This version addresses none of the issues I brought up with the previous 
> version in May:
>
>> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-May/005120.html
>
> There isn't a major problem with the RIPE NCC testing abuse mailboxes on a 
> purely advisory basis, but the RIPE abuse working group has no authority to

I'm sure you meant the RIPE *anti*-abuse working group :-)))


> dictate to internet resource holders how to perform their abuse management 
> workflow, with an explicit threat that their businesses will be ruined unless 
> they comply to the letter.

I don't think it's a matter of authority, but only a matter of 
understanding if the community wants to tighten the requeriments (or 
not).


> Alex de Joode pointed out on May 17th that the proposal also lacks 
> proportionality and would be unlikely to be upheld in court.  It seems 
> inadvisable that the RIPE NCC should implement a policy with such poor legal 
> basis.

What you mean is that if someone just flushes some bogus abuse contact, it 
isn't as serious as providing falsified data/documents to the RIPE 
NCC....?
Because that bogus data is not aimed at the NCC but instead at the world, 
then it should be OK...?


> The policy is fundamentally broken and should be withdrawn.

I haven't read this version yet, but i will.


Regards,
Carlos



> Nick
>