[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 New Policy Proposal (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Hi,

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 12:02:48AM +0100, Carlos Friaças wrote:
> > There is no indication that the complications Jordi is proposing are
> > an actual improvement in any metric, except "human life time wasted".
> 
> Starting with "complications" is really not that constructive.
> 
> If the process is too complex let's work on it, and make it simpler where 
> it is possible.

We have an existing process that is the result of a PDP discussed in this
very working group, reflecting community consensus on the balance between
checking and annoyance.

Nobody has made a convincing argument why this needs to be made stricter
and more time consuming.

> Trying to build a softer approach, maybe the NCC doesn't need to send 
> _everyone_ a message twice a year, but if someone finds an abuse-mailbox 
> to be unresponsive, then if it is mandatory to have a working 
> contact/mailbox, the NCC could only get into the picture when someone 
> detects that is not in place.
> 
> Or is _that_ already in place...?

We *HAVE* a process to check abuse contacts.

We *HAVE* ARCs.


So, please state *first* what is wrong or insufficient with the current
process, and why these added complications would improve the end goal:
abuse reports sent to ISPs are handled "better" (in a to-be-defined
metric).

Note: taking away lifetime from the people doing abuse mail handling is
not going to make them more enthusiastic about doing their job.

Gert Doering
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