[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 and over-reach

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:29:47 +0000
Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
> > and, more so: 2019-03 not proceeding would be counter to the ethical
> > administration of resources, a dereliction of responsibility and a
> > breach of trust implied in any such administration (as well as
> > administrative authority)  
> A core part of the policy process in the RIPE Community is that
> nothing is set in stone. A policy which is rejected one day may be
> accepted another, or something which is put in place may be changed
> or altered when new information comes to light. This is all part of
> the PDP.
> *If* 2019-03 does not reach consensus it in no way implies the RIPE
> Community does not care about BGP hijacking (community pushes like
> MANRS and general work on RPKI says otherwise), all it says is that
> this proposal was not deemed to be the right way to go about it.
> 
the point was not that arguments against 2019-03 means that the PDP is
flawed or that anyone in opposition does not care about BGP hijacking,
but that those in strong opposition to the exercise of administrative authority 
should understand (or at least be aware), that there is a very powerful 
responsibility to do so (to apply administrative authority), in the first place.

so, claiming over-reach, should address exactly that (an imbalance in
the potential exercise of administrative authority) - and not simply present 
the easy "chicken little" type argument against any such exercise at all. 

I frequently read someone saying "RIPE is not the Internet
Police" (even I have said that a few times myself) but the hard
truth is that any RIR has a duty to exercise administrative authority.  
Finding the balance where this duty is an over-reach, as per the subject 
line of this hijacked thread, is an important discussion that I believe 
this wg should have sometime as this relates directly to abuse also...

and, similarly, arguing that because Afrinic etc does not do this or
does not do that, is hardly any great argument either, many interesting 
things, angles and points in these 2019-03 discussions and threads :)

Andre