[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 and over-reach

Hi Niall, Ronald, All,
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2019, Niall O'Reilly wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2019, at 3:12, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
>> These are the land deeds of the Internet.
>> And they have long since been accepted as such by virtually everyone.
>
> Precisely.
>
> I believe that a condition for their continued acceptance as such
> is that the RIPE NCC avoid amalgamating quasi-judicial functions
> to its "land-registry" function.
>
> In my country, we have an agency called the Registry of Deeds,
> which performs a land-registry function and acts as an agency of
> record.  I expect that most other countries have each their own
> agency with similar functions.  I am not aware of any which also
> has a judicial or disciplinary function.

I'm not sure on how "Registries of Deeds/Land" work in different 
countries, but usually those Registries are not an Association which has 
(all?) its "customers" as members/shareholders.

So, while i think i understand why some people choose to use this analogy, 
RIPE NCC, as a registry has that different characteristic, apart from 
having also a distribution function/role (which land registries don't 
have).

And while a member can feel it shouldn't be part of the same 
org/company/association than (bad?) actors, it doesn't feel right that it 
is that said member that should quit his/her membership.

Also, i have read allegations about a "monopoly" regarding the service 
region. Afaik, there is a transfer market which contradicts the concept of 
said "monopoly" (i.e. can't get more addresses from the RIR, then go to 
the market).


> Best regards,
>
> Niall O'Reilly


Great to hear from you Niall!


Best Regards,
Carlos