[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 and over-reach

El 23/3/19 12:46, "Sascha Luck [ml]" <aawg at c4inet.net> escribió:

    On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:29:21PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
    >I learnt that there is an association for craft beer producers and one of the rules was that if you have a sharing from an industrial beer producer, you are automatically expelled from the association.
    
    This is not even remotely comparable. If they are expelled from a
    craft beer association it simply means they are not members of
    the association anymore. It does *not* mean they cannot get
    barley, hops or water anymore (except, theoretically, on another
    continent)

Exactly, the vendors for barley, hops, etc., can also decide if they want to sell them or not.

    Being expelled from the RIPE NCC means, in practical terms, that
    one cannot conduct one's business in the RIPE Service Region
    anymore. Why do you think a member would just lie down and take
    that rather than using any means available to ensure its
    survival?


The peers can decide also if, in addition to the warning or decision from the RIR, they want to keep the peering or transit.

If I don't want to accept a customer, I've the right to do so. If I'm in a membership organization that helps me to decide and provide info about bad behaviors, I will be very happy.

I know, you're taking it to the monopoly situation that Nick described, which I've already answered with my views.

I think regulators know we are doing well and not acting against bad things will make them to intervene, not in the other way around.
    
    rgds,
    SL
    



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