[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

Hi,


On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:41:00PM +0000, Carlos Friaas wrote:
>>> there has been a trend in recent years to make RIPE policy that
>>> transforms the NCC from a resource registry into a political
>>> agency to monitor and prescribe the behaviour of the internet industry
>> 
>> Do you actually have any reference about that?
>
> Read the address-policy and particularly the aawg archives. There
> have been a number of proposals such as the Europol one and the
> endless saga of the abuse-c: verification...

It wasn't "the Europol proposal". The co-author happens to work for 
Europol. Other Europol employees were able to disagree with the proposal 
if they wanted.
You cannot determine if the author wasn't working for Europol, the same 
exact proposal wouldn't be issued, and if the author left Europol, that 
she wouldn't continue to support/work on the same exact proposal.
That's a label, and i mostly disagree with doing that.
In the same way, regarding 2019-03, i work for a NREN (the other co-author 
doesn't) and this is NOT an "NREN proposal". It's a proposal aimed at 
improving how the RIPE community deals with the specific issue of 
hijacking.

About the abuse-c: verification, i understand that some people will prefer 
that abuse messages simply go into blackholes, although i feel more 
comfortable to see this "saga" as you label it, go forward in order to 
globally improve how things work. Sorry if that negatively affects some 
business models where frequent abuse is a pattern/feature.


Carlos