[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Gert Doering wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:53:02AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>>> So that's a fairly effective way to sanction abusive behaviour.
>>
>> The amount of time that will transpire from the time of abuse and a LIR
>> closed and their resources withdrawn can well be in excess of a year if
>> not two years.
>>
>> Is that the end result we are looking for?
>
> I would hope that *having* a way to sanction abusive behaviour would
> deter criminals from doing so in the first place.  Today, not enough

I think we have different expections from criminals.  I view the criminals 
as ones who analyze every RFC and every standard to determine where they 
can be abused or manipulated for their benefit.  A sanction that would be 
implemented 18 months later would allow the evil LIR enough time to sell 
their resources to some other LIR such that they would not lose such 
resources.

-Hank

> people care, and playing havoc with BGP (intentional or accidentially)
> has hardly any consequences at all.
>
> OTOH, these are the questions that make me undecided on the proposal :-)
>
> Gert Doering
>        -- NetMaster
>