[anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something...

On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 06:41:52PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>RIPE can't tell anyone either what to announce (over BGP) much less what
>the individual IP addresses that people do announce are used for, which
>could include, and which often *does* include, the distribution of malware
>and also innumerable other unsavory and illegal activities.  None of that
>is, or rightly should be any of RIPE's concern.  On that I think we all
>agree.

This argument actually deserves a rebuttal.

1) I'm not convinced "we all agree" on that. At least where
content is concerned, that discussion has already been had, in
this very place. With much similar arguments. While it ultimately
led to nothing, i don't remember any universal agreement.

2) Why *not*? It is precisely what 2019-03 attempts to do: it
empowers the NCC to regulate in an area where it has no mandate
(Routing) with the argument that RIPE-"regulated" resources are
involved. It follows logically that this extends to any other use
of RIPE-"regulated" resources. Including who can advertise what
to whom by which means and to which end. All it takes is another
bright idea once that door is open.

>As regards to what RIPE members are paying for, unless I have totally
>misunderstood, the members are paying for the -orderly- distribution and
>registration of number resources.  Hijacking quite clearly flies in the
>face of that desired order, and if left unchecked, results in the very
>opposite of order, i.e. chaos.  Such activity therefore cannot be either
>condoned nor even tolerated by the dues paying members if they are in
>fact to get the very thing that they are paying for, order over chaos.

The debate as to what function the NCC should have can and should
be had. However, not here. This is something that I firmly
believe the paying membership AND NOBODY ELSE should decide.

As for comparing RIPE NCC with Twitter, that 'argument, is so
blatantly ridiculous that I don't think it even deserves a
response.

rgds,
SL