[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?

+1

(and if the +1 is not clear: It means I agree and I have nothing to
add. If I am pressed to add a comment, to explain my +1 I would venture
to say that I agree with what was said because I know there are very
few people actively tracking BGP jacking. I also know that some of
those that do track it have spoken out so I agree completely that
identifying experts and testimony of actual cases will not be one of
the top issues faced by the registry. I hope that my +1 will therefore
be accepted as a simple +1 as I have nothing more to add than simply
repeating what has been said and stating my agreement thereof. If my +1
is not acceptable or does not count as much, because I have not fully
explained my agreement to what was said I would appreciate that being
pointed out to myself)

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 19:57:35 +0530
Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are very few people who actively track BGP hijacks, the world
> over - even among the larger community of network security folks.
> 
> More than one of those individuals is on this mailing list and has
> spoken up during the discussion.
> 
> Identifying experts to detect and attest to cases of hijacking will
> be the least of RIPE NCC's problems.
> 
> On 03/04/19, 7:50 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Pavel Vraštiak"
> <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of vrastiak at itself.cz>
> wrote:
> 
>     I, for instance, subscribed to this list to express my support
> for the proposal. After reviewing the comments I can say that the
> only thing that we can (hopefully) agree on is that BGP hijacks are
> generally bad and we would prefer technical solution instead of
> policy. 
>     I think that the idea of this proposal is good and I also think
> that it could make some small difference (in a good way). The
> questionable part is the process of choosing experts and impact on
> the RIPE NCC budget. Looking forward to v2.0.
>     
>     -- 
>     
>     Pavel
>     
>     On 03. 04. 19 15:21, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
>     > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:52:45PM +0100, Carlos Friaas via
>     > anti-abuse-wg wrote:  
>     >> Just like a few days ago i wrote that i hoped there wasn't any
>     >> kind of discrimination against portuguese participants, i hope
>     >> there isn't also any kind of discrimination against new
>     >> participants on this WG.  
>     > 
>     > Please provide evidence for your insinuation that anyone here
>     > discriminates against Portuguese (or any other nationality for
>     > that matter.) I can't but regard such an insinuation as a cheap
>     > rhetorical trick.
>     >   
>     >> I may understand if some people prefer to have less people in
>     >> the WG, but i'm not part of that set.
>     >> While worrying about how we can improve rules/tools against
>     >> Abuse (that's the point of an Anti-Abuse WG, right?), i would
>     >> also like to see a much larger number of people involved!  
>     > 
>     > I've long argued that all policy should only be discussed in
>     > ap-wg as I don't think this limited an audience should make
>     > policy with far-reaching consequences. Alas, everyone wants to
>     > rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven.
>     >   
>     >> If someone has any doubt about if newcomers are real persons,
>     >> then please Google away. :-)  
>     > 
>     > Well, that gives me:
>     > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet
>     > 
>     > So the term "Astroturfing" is technically incorrect as that
>     > implies fictitious entities with some commercial interest behind
>     > it.
>     > Nobody has said that and new participants are always welcome,
>     > the more know about this the better.
>     > However: If someone shows up here only to add a "+1" to a
>     > proposal and is then never heard from again, I don't think their
>     > support should carry much weight. I trust the chairs to consider
>     > this, of course.
>     > 
>     > 
>     > rgds,
>     > SL  
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>     >>  
>     >>> All
>     >>>
>     >>> Is someone encouraging astroturfing?
>     >>>
>     >>> The number of either new or inactive members of this list who
>     >>> have posted one line messages in support of the recent policy
>     >>> discussion has reached insane levels
>     >>>
>     >>> Regards
>     >>>
>     >>> Michele
>     >>>
>     >>> -- 
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>     > 
>     >   
>     
>     
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